I need some input before doing my first cycle (Test E and Primo)

[Judah]

I'm 33, male, 6ft, 225lbs, and around 18% body fat...maybe a bit less. I will be taking 4 months prior to this cycle to drop to around 190lbs naturally. Reason being, I have no interest in weighing over 230lbs and undoubtedly if I juice now at my current weight I'm sure I'll be close to 250lbs at cycle end. My goal is simply to add some quality muscle/strength. Anything look wrong with the cycle I outlined below?


15 week cycle

Test E: 15 weeks at 500mg a week

Primo: 8 weeks at 500mg a week (running this with the test starting on week 8 of 15)

Armidex: 0.5mg EOD

HCG: 500iu EOW

POST CYCLE:

Nolvadex: 20mg ED for 2 weeks then 10mg ED for 2 weeks

HCG: 250iu ED for 3 weeks

[PaynESTER]

I would run the primo full course of the cycle.

Enjoy
Edit- why not cut down with that cycle included.

Will produce greater results and keep you over 200 lbs dieted

[gixxerboy1]

your pct is weak i would run nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 100/100/50/50
leave the hcg for on cycle
i would also drop the primo its a waste

[austinite]

Welcome.

Primo at 500mg will not yield good results if any. 800+

You should consider taking BF down to 15% or lower before you cycle.

If you insist, run Test E only for 12 weeks at 500mg EW. Adex @ .25 EOD. PCT clomid+nolva

[stpete]

Run PCT like Gixxer advised. 15 weeks is too long for you. You'll be fine w/a 12 weeker. Eat right and train hard and you will be fine.

[Judah]

I would run the primo full course of the cycle.

Enjoy
Edit- why not cut down with that cycle included.

Will produce greater results and keep you over 200 lbs dieted

I had the same thought of using this as a cutting cycle. Maybe the problem is that It's obviously neither an ideal bulking cycle or cutting cycle. Mainly I don't want to weigh more than I do now, period. Second I want to take full advantage of the cycle and not go on a reduced coloric intake. Any thoughts?

[Judah]

Run PCT like Gixxer advised. 15 weeks is too long for you. You'll be fine w/a 12 weeker. Eat right and train hard and you will be fine.

Great, thanks.

[Judah]

Ok cool so im on track with drop to 190lbs before this cycle my BF should around 10%. I hear primo is weak lol. I figured stacked with test it would be good. Cut this cycle to 12 weeks, not 15 weeks?

[Judah]

Already have 4,000mg of primo. I either need to sell it or get much more from what I reading from all you guys.

[austinite]

Already have 4,000mg of primo. I either need to sell it or get much more from what I reading from all you guys.

Yes. That's not enough for a decent primo cycle. You need at least 12,000mg.

[Judah]

****en hell. It's costing me $150 per 1,000mg. That's going to break me haha.

[austinite]

****en hell. It's costing me $150 per 1,000mg. That's going to break me haha.

If you cant get what you paid for it then save it. It's not going to go bad. Slowly stockpile till you have enough. Primo is a good compound but only at 800mg or more for 16 weeks. Make sure you're at a low BF% to see results then. it wont do anything over layers of fat.

[Judah]

Roger dodger, and thank you,

[Judah]

Are you in Austin? I'm moving there in 2 months from San Diego.

[Judah]

your pct is weak i would run nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 100/100/50/50
leave the hcg for on cycle
i would also drop the primo its a waste

HCG post is not good for getting the nads back in order?

[Judah]

If you cant get what you paid for it then save it. It's not going to go bad. Slowly stockpile till you have enough. Primo is a good compound but only at 800mg or more for 16 weeks. Make sure you're at a low BF% to see results then. it wont do anything over layers of fat.

Thank you. Are you in Austin? I'm moving there in 2 months from San Diego.

[austinite]

Thank you. Are you in Austin? I'm moving there in 2 months from San Diego.

Yes. I moved from Calabasas. Stay classy, San Diego.

[gixxerboy1]

HCG post is not good for getting the nads back in order?

its better used on cycle then for pct.

[Judah]

its better used on cycle then for pct.

Roger that, and thank you.

[evander87]

If you cant get what you paid for it then save it. It's not going to go bad. Slowly stockpile till you have enough. Primo is a good compound but only at 800mg or more for 16 weeks. Make sure you're at a low BF% to see results then. it wont do anything over layers of fat.

Is that a typo? 16 weeks of 800+ primo?

[gixxerboy1]

Is that a typo? 16 weeks of 800+ primo?

nope

[Judah]

So I'm revising my cycle based on the advice to th following.

10 weeks of Test-E at 500mg a week and 10weeks of Primo at 800mg a week

HCG at 500iu a week 250/250 for 10 weeks. Armidex at 0.5mg EOD for 10 weeks

POST: Nolvadex for four weeks 40/40/20/20 and Clomid for 4 weeks 100/100/50/50

How are we looking?

[swm1972]

Your primo run is still too short. Primo is an amazing drug and probably the only compound (in addition to testosterone) I think is ok for a first cycle. But at ten weeks you are jut getting to the good part when you are going to be running out. I ran primo for 20 weeks and still didn't want to come off. It literally got better every week.

I am HRT so long cycles don't mean as much for a person like me. But as gixx stated earlier, if you are gonna run it 18 weeks is preferred. I certainly wouldn't bother for less then 16. I also wouldn't run it any lower then 700mgs a week. Personally I ran it at a gram a week and fell in love with it. Walking past a mirror and not recognizing the reflection, that is what primo is all about. The stuff you got wont go bad. If you haven't got enough on hand to run it right save it for cycle number two. It's too expensive to go in half assed.

Good luck.

[BurntRbr]

Dont move from SD its too nice here. Although Austin does sound nice

[Judah]

Your primo run is still too short. Primo is an amazing drug and probably the only compound (in addition to testosterone) I think is ok for a first cycle. But at ten weeks you are jut getting to the good part when you are going to be running out. I ran primo for 20 weeks and still didn't want to come off. It literally got better every week.

I am HRT so long cycles don't mean as much for a person like me. But as gixx stated earlier, if you are gonna run it 18 weeks is preferred. I certainly wouldn't bother for less then 16. I also wouldn't run it any lower then 700mgs a week. Personally I ran it at a gram a week and fell in love with it. Walking past a mirror and not recognizing the reflection, that is what primo is all about. The stuff you got wont go bad. If you haven't got enough on hand to run it right save it for cycle number two. It's too expensive to go in half assed.

Good luck.

Ok, I read you guys loud and clear now. Ill make sure I run primo the right way. I won't run it until I can do so for at least 18 weeks at 1,000mg a week. 2 questions. When I run the primo for 18 weeks should I run Test with it the whole time too? If I'm blasting 1,000mg of Primo a week and 500mg of test a week we are talking about 6ml/cc per injection. Its hard to dose 1ml/cc of test in a syringe that will hold enough for 6ml/cc of gear. Pulling 5ml/cc of the primo will be easy but to pull the test in the same syringe at only 1ml/cc is tough in such a large syringe, no?

[gixxerboy1]

no spilt it in multiple injections i'd probably would do injections 5 days a week

[Judah]

Dont move from SD its too nice here. Although Austin does sound nice

Agreed, but when your offered 3x your current salary, it makes the move a little easier lol.

[Judah]

no spilt it in multiple injections i'd probably would do injections 5 days a week

Right, Roger that. So blast 200mg Primo ED and Test-E Mon/Thur? Again, should I run the test along side it the entire 18 weeks?

[gixxerboy1]

yes you need to run the test for all the weeks also

[warmouth]

gixxer! Youre killing me with the recent changing of the Avi pics, ha ha. Lucky...................

[austinite]

gixxer! Youre killing me with the recent changing of the Avi pics, ha ha. Lucky...................

He installed the new app in the settings section. AVI rotater.

[Judah]

Ok so I can not afford the amount of Primo I need right now to run a proper Primo cycle. Looks like For my first cycle I'm just going to run Test-E by itself. I can easily get Sus-250 as well.

For my first cycle would you guys recommend one over the other? Sus-250 or Test-E? Does it really matter?

[gixxerboy1]

i think you will be happy with test only. sust or test e the results will be the same in the end. just adjust your pct time for the what ever you choose