HGH - Anadrol Question

[Bevsta123]

Just wondering what's the view on the usage of HGH under 25? I'm just not that clued up on HGH and the sides compared to AS which is why im asking what's everyone's opinion on Anadrol (Oxymetholone)?

[PaynESTER]

HGH under 25 will still give good results.
but not like someone who is 40 years old.

4 iu of growth will give you a good fat burn.

but younger the age you really need more than that if you wanna get big and freaky

and the guy in your AVI - uses more than 30 IU a day.

just saying.

side effects - hand numbness, maybe some headaches nothing bad.

anadrol can make you feel like poop.
it can make you not hungry.
lethargic.

but it puts the water in the right places.

EXAMPLE
dianabol puts water between the skin and within the muscle

anadrol does a better job of putting the water inside the muscle.

which doesnt give you that bloated look, that blurs muscular lines.

[Bevsta123]

yeah understood, im just trying to figure out if HGH under 25 is as frowned upon as AS under 25 as in would my body cope with it without some of the AS repercussions.

So would you say Anadrol would be good for muscle building and development? If so what would a typical Anadrol cycle look like / consist of?

[PaynESTER]

i would not use anadrol by it self.

you need to stack it with something.

you trying to bulk up?

[Bevsta123]

yeah im trying to bulk up at the moment

[gixxerboy1]

gh isnt cost effective for most under 25,

[PaynESTER]

simple bulk, since you already have the abombs. i assume?

test 500mg week - 1-16
deca 400mg week - 1-16 or for goodness sake of this forum 1-12
abombs 50mg/day first 4 weeks. 6 weeks off.

eat when you are hungry. not on a time line.

by the end of the day just meet your macro goals.

whatever it is.

200 proteins
400 carbs
100 fats

it doesnt matter if the carbs come from
pop tarts or rice.

it all turns to sugar, it all does the same thing.

[Bevsta123]

gh isnt cost effective for most under 25,

so what would you recommend?

simple bulk, since you already have the abombs. i assume?

test 500mg week - 1-16
deca 400mg week - 1-16 or for goodness sake of this forum 1-12
abombs 50mg/day first 4 weeks. 6 weeks off.

keep in mind this would be the first cycle and i am under 25. But thanks for the constructive feedback,

abombs? whats that if you dont mind me asking? is this ment to be another name for Dbol ? if so first time iv ever heard this referenced lols

[PaynESTER]

so what would you recommend?





keep in mind this would be the first cycle and i am under 25.

that cycle is fine bro.

its not like im telling to to

blast

test 1000mg per week
deca 800mg per week
tren ace 350mg/week
dbol 50 mg a day 4 weeks on 4 weeks off 4 weeks on, etc.

[gixxerboy1]

so what would you recommend?






keep in mind this would be the first cycle and i am under 25. But thanks for the constructive feedback,

abombs? whats that if you dont mind me asking? is this ment to be another name for Dbol? if so first time iv ever heard this referenced lols

a-bombs is anadrol . not d-bol

[Bevsta123]

that cycle is fine bro.

its not like im telling to to

blast

test 1000mg per week
deca 800mg per week
tren ace 350mg/week
dbol 50 mg a day 4 weeks on 4 weeks off 4 weeks on, etc.

yeah understood, tis just a big jump from constantly hearing people say first cycle should be a test only cycle, id have to look into this cycle more just to wrap my head around some parts of it. but once again thanks for your imput

a-bombs is anadrol. not d-bol

Thanks Gixx, whats your imput on this cycle btw gixx?

[Matt]

simple bulk, since you already have the abombs. i assume?

test 500mg week - 1-16
deca 400mg week - 1-16 or for goodness sake of this forum 1-12
abombs 50mg/day first 4 weeks. 6 weeks off.

eat when you are hungry. not on a time line.

by the end of the day just meet your macro goals.

whatever it is.

200 proteins
400 carbs
100 fats

it doesnt matter if the carbs come from
pop tarts or rice.

it all turns to sugar, it all does the same thing.

Thats a poor cycle choice for a first run...

OP have a run with test e/c at 300/500mgs weekly to start with, you may reach all your goals on a nice simple test cycle...

[Bevsta123]

Thats a poor cycle choice for a first run...

OP have a run with test e/c at 300/500mgs weekly to start with, you may reach all your goals on a nice simple test cycle...

yeah i was thinking bout it, ill be turning 20 soon, would you say its ok to cycle then?

[Matt]

yeah i was thinking bout it, ill be turning 20 soon, would you say its ok to cycle then?

Honestly i would wait mate, your body will be producing more than enough testosterone to continue to make substantial gains with a solid workout routine and diet, rest too is important..

However if you insist on using aas then test alone will work great for a first run...

[Bevsta123]

Honestly i would wait mate, your body will be producing more than enough testosterone to continue to make substantial gains with a solid workout routine and diet, rest too is important..

However if you insist on using aas then test alone will work great for a first run...

yeah understood, iv been making decent gains I was thinking bout holding off till i hit my next plateau, thanks for the constructive response Matt, much appreciated

[PaynESTER]

Honestly i would wait mate, your body will be producing more than enough testosterone to continue to make substantial gains with a solid workout routine and diet, rest too is important..

However if you insist on using aas then test alone will work great for a first run...

"On the contrary, the body produces a small amount each day which is far below 200mg (It's around 10mg). That small amount is concentrated at the beginning of the day and then falls low by the end of the day. This process repeats itself every day and by the end of two weeks, a normally functioning body produces approximately 140mg of testosterone (appx. 70mg per week)."

[Matt]

"On the contrary, the body produces a small amount each day which is far below 200mg (It's around 10mg). That small amount is concentrated at the beginning of the day and then falls low by the end of the day. This process repeats itself every day and by the end of two weeks, a normally functioning body produces approximately 140mg of testosterone (appx. 70mg per week)."

I don't know why you say "on the contrary"?? I said the op still has enough natural test to continue to make gains, he then confirmed this....

Are you arguing with me for the sake of it???

[Popeye's]

Honestly i would wait mate, your body will be producing more than enough testosterone to continue to make substantial gains with a solid workout routine and diet, rest too is important..

However if you insist on using aas then test alone will work great for a first run...

Isn't he too young? Would that cycle be safe? I'm talking about the side effects - long term?

Also, test alone? He should run something along side that?

[PaynESTER]

just saying 1 cc of test is more than what the human body makes in a 2 week period.

so yes he can get good results

but with a little test 250mg/week he could have very reasonable gains. at a much faster pace.

im not aruguin bro.

just trying to dispell some broscience.

[Matt]

Isn't he too young? Would that cycle be safe? I'm talking about the side effects - long term?

Also, test alone? He should run something along side that?

Yes i believe he is to young mate however its his body and as long as he knows the possible effects using aas at any age can cause then im not here to give him a hard time...

Test alone is a great starting point, why throw other compounds in there?? Get to where you want by using as little as possible imo..

[Bevsta123]

I said the op still has enough natural test to continue to make gains, he then confirmed this....

just out of curiosity how would you know your not making gains, like as well all know natty lifting is a "slow" process and as the person lifting how would you notice your muscular gains are getting slow (besides the obvious strength gains getting slow)?

[Matt]

just saying 1 cc of test is more than what the human body makes in a 2 week period.

so yes he can get good results

but with a little test 250mg/week he could have very reasonable gains. at a much faster pace.

im not aruguin bro.

just trying to dispell some broscience.

You will see no bro science from me my friend, but if he is still making good gains without the use of aas then why add them. Once he hits hit natural limits then hell yeah use the tools we have....

[MuscleInk]

Honestly i would wait mate, your body will be producing more than enough testosterone to continue to make substantial gains with a solid workout routine and diet, rest too is important..

However if you insist on using aas then test alone will work great for a first run...

Matt is right - I mean, how can you argue with a guy that has over 30,000 posts here??? Straight up BEAST!

.....and Gixx.....well, Gixx is the next thing to god around here, so when he speaks, you'd be wise to listen.

Ya, it's not what you want to hear. Having a young, "Mr. Olympia" beach body to strut around and impress the babes is ideal, but the guys are right. At your age your natty testosterone should be blasting. If you feel it's not, have an MD run a blood panel and check all your hormone levels. If your testosterone level is low, then maybe HRT would be the way to go. If everything is normal for your age, taking any PH, AAS, or even GH can disrupt the performance of your HTPA and shut things down before you finish developing naturally. Moreover, despite what others have suggested, exogenous GH does in fact elevate your HR and BP, but the degree of change varies individually. I'd like to see what your nutritional plan is like. Gear and GH isn't the "get big fast" path you think it is. There are numerous side effects that you may not be aware of and a lot of damage you can do to your body. When the time is right, the stuff could really help you reach new potentials but taken too early you could be faced with life long problems. Moreover, if your diet is poor, any gains you see will disappear in the absence of nutrition to support those gains once you cycle off any hormonal supplement.

[Popeye's]

Yes i believe he is to young mate however its his body and as long as he knows the possible effects using aas at any age can cause then im not here to give him a hard time...

Test alone is a great starting point, why throw other compounds in there?? Get to where you want by using as little as possible imo..

So then test e/c at 300/500mgs weekly is enough? Nothing else? he should take something to keep his gains or at least something to throw back the side effects?

[gixxerboy1]

So then test e/c at 300/500mgs weekly is enough? Nothing else? he should take something to keep his gains or at least something to throw back the side effects?

yes an ai on cycle and proper pct of nolva and clomid

[Popeye's]

yes an ai on cycle and proper pct of nolva and clomid

Yeah, I think that would be more proper for the kid - even if at the first place, he shouldn't take test!

[Bevsta123]

Matt is right - I mean, how can you argue with a guy that has over 30,000 posts here??? Straight up BEAST!

.....and Gixx.....well, Gixx is the next thing to god around here, so when he speaks, you'd be wise to listen.

Ya, it's not what you want to hear. Having a young, "Mr. Olympia" beach body to strut around and impress the babes is ideal, but the guys are right. At your age your natty testosterone should be blasting. If you feel it's not, have an MD run a blood panel and check all your hormone levels. If your testosterone level is low, then maybe HRT would be the way to go. If everything is normal for your age, taking any PH, AAS, or even GH can disrupt the performance of your HTPA and shut things down before you finish developing naturally. Moreover, despite what others have suggested, exogenous GH does in fact elevate your HR and BP, but the degree of change varies individually. I'd like to see what your nutritional plan is like. Gear and GH isn't the "get big fast" path you think it is. There are numerous side effects that you may not be aware of and a lot of damage you can do to your body. When the time is right, the stuff could really help you reach new potentials but taken too early you could be faced with life long problems. Moreover, if your diet is poor, any gains you see will disappear in the absence of nutrition to support those gains once you cycle off any hormonal supplement.

Nutrition plan isn't perfect but its better then how i first started, only part im lacking in nutrition is maintaining that same nutrition plan on weekends, must admit sometimes i let go on the weekends but its soon to change.

So then test e/c at 300/500mgs weekly is enough? Nothing else? he should take something to keep his gains or at least something to throw back the side effects?

PCT is pretty obvious to any cycle recommended

[Matt]

yes an ai on cycle and proper pct of nolva and clomid

Exactly....

[Bevsta123]

yes an ai on cycle and proper pct of nolva and clomid

would you by chance know if the AI's that are ordered online with-held from Australia Customs?

[gixxerboy1]

would you by chance know if the AI's that are ordered online with-held from Australia Customs?

i know ar-r has a good success rate shipping to oz

[Bevsta123]

i know ar-r has a good success rate shipping to oz

is Arimidex under a different name or something on ar?

[gixxerboy1]

http://www.ar-r.com/ancillaries/arom...ml-1mg-ml.html

[MuscleInk]

Nutrition plan isn't perfect but its better then how i first started, only part im lacking in nutrition is maintaining that same nutrition plan on weekends, must admit sometimes i let go on the weekends but its soon to change.



PCT is pretty obvious to any cycle recommended

When you get a second, summarize your macros and post here. That'll help us see how to achieve and sustain gains. Ya, weekends are the achilles heel for many people.

[Ashop]

Just wondering what's the view on the usage of HGH under 25? I'm just not that clued up on HGH and the sides compared to AS which is why im asking what's everyone's opinion on Anadrol (Oxymetholone)?

I think both HGH and ANADROL are best reserved for the well advanced athlete.
Most people under 25 are still producing some natural HGH release,,,enjoy that
and take advantage of it while you can.

[Bevsta123]

When you get a second, summarize your macros and post here. That'll help us see how to achieve and sustain gains. Ya, weekends are the achilles heel for many people.

9am - 4 whole eggs, bowl of cerial/fish fillets/chicken breasts - varies from day to day
10:30am - 3 scoops Dymatize elite mass (4 scoops full serving)
12pm - 250g grilled chicken breast, brown rice/pasta, potatoes/veggies
3pm - 200/300g grilled steak, pasta, sweet potato
5pm - 3 whole eggs, 2 scoops Dymatize
630-730 workout
7:50pm 3 scoops Dymatize, chicken/turkey/steaks/fish (depends on my mood) sides always vary sometimes I'll have the dinner made by mum aha
9-11pm if still craving something I'll slam down another 2 scoops of Dymatize (all shakes with full cream milk)

I usually have little things to nibble on throughout the day