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    Clomid instead of HCG on my cycle?

    Hello everyone. I plan on running a 12 week cycle of test prop 100mg EOD, tren A 50mg EOD, and 50mg ED of anadrol for the first 4 weeks. I want to take clomid DURING my cycle (50mg EOD) to maintain testicular size and volume. I have never done that before. Ive heard it works and i want to try it myself. My main question is, if i take 50mg EOD during my cycle is there a possibility of building up a tolerance to the clomid so that it is not as effective during my PCT after my cycle? The standard clomid and nolva for my pct's have always worked wonders. Toremefine isn't that bad either, but i prefer clomid as i 100% know it works for me.

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    i don't think its going to work. clomid is a weak serm, and can only have any effect when test levels are lowish, like after a cycle has ended and injected test is already clearing the system. during cycle, the amount of injected test will totally overwhelm any effect clomid might have. which means you'll remain fully shut down and the ballz will surely shrink.

    this is also the reason why you need to wait some time for your injected test to clear your system before you start pct. no point starting pct straight away cos it won't work.
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    No not a good idea. Run 500iu of HGC a week during your cycle. Bang it twice a week 250iu/250iu. This will keep your nads working during and aid in natural T production when your off. Also run Armidex during at 0.50 EOD.

    When you stop your juice, continue to run HGC for 2 weeks while your gear is leaving your system. Do not run it longer. You don't run to run up your test levels again to the point that your starting all over again. The point is just to speed up recovery.

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    Im running Clomid 50mg Eod to prevent testicle shrinkage along with Arimidex to block estrogen. Im on my 9th week balls r in FULL effect hey it works for me but everyone is different. Im no pro btw just did a lot of research. On a Beginners 12 week 500mg/a week Test E only cycle if anyone wanted to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiandude View Post
    i don't think its going to work. clomid is a weak serm, and can only have any effect when test levels are lowish, like after a cycle has ended and injected test is already clearing the system. during cycle, the amount of injected test will totally overwhelm any effect clomid might have. which means you'll remain fully shut down and the ballz will surely shrink.

    this is also the reason why you need to wait some time for your injected test to clear your system before you start pct. no point starting pct straight away cos it won't work.
    This exactly. Good post and right on the money.

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    If he is right on should I not be totally shut down by now with tiny balls??

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    I haven't researched this too much however I know Dante Trudel used to recommend 50mg clomid EOD while on cycle. I don't see how it would work however it is very interesting

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    ^^ That was prob to prevent gyno. Years ago we used to run clomid on cycle for just that purpose. It was also clomid only for pct back then as well.

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    I recommend you listen to the pro's but whatever you decide on good luck brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castor87 View Post
    I haven't researched this too much however I know Dante Trudel used to recommend 50mg clomid EOD while on cycle. I don't see how it would work however it is very interesting
    because oldtimers didnt know anybetter and user SARM's for gyno control. the issue with that is sure its blocking the gyno at breast glands. but its NOT lowering your bodys overall estrogen levels so thats not a good thing if its super high in my op.

    never use a SARM for estrogen control unless its just while waiting for yor AUI to take effect (1-2weeks if that and if in very bad case of gyno comming from not being ready)

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    Quote Originally Posted by h2o View Post
    If he is right on should I not be totally shut down by now with tiny balls??
    Look not eveyone is the same, I have been on cycle or HRT for over 3 years with NO hcg for like 2. I have slightly smally boys but i assure you things ARE still pumping well.
    while the next guy feels like his nuts dotn work after only one 3mo cycle.
    person dependent. you can be on gear for months and months, and still get a GF preggo. yet next guy might not.
    so shut down is not the same for everyone and it varies in effects one guy to the next.

    are you shut down during cycle? YES everyone would be.
    being "shut down" does not mean TOTAL SHUT DOWN! Im not sure why peopel always act like being shut down is a lighrt switch (on or off) its not like that man.

    good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by h2o View Post
    Im running Clomid 50mg Eod to prevent testicle shrinkage along with Arimidex to block estrogen. Im on my 9th week balls r in FULL effect hey it works for me but everyone is different. Im no pro btw just did a lot of research. *YOU need to do more my man* On a Beginners 12 week 500mg/a week Test E only cycle if anyone wanted to know.
    Clomid use during aas cycle to keep you from getting shut down or keeping balls big?
    You dont have a clue what you are doing. and maybe should have taken time to study for a while longer before starting this.
    you got cycle part right though.

    Clomid does what you think arimidex does..... and amiridex is what you use during cycle to lower estrogen and keep gyno away, not clomid or other SERMS.
    HCG can keep balls full and can be used during or neard end of cycle to help PCT (but not into PCT)*I rec tailend
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    Quote Originally Posted by DTFzombies View Post
    Hello everyone. I plan on running a 12 week cycle of test prop 100mg EOD, tren A 50mg EOD, and 50mg ED of anadrol for the first 4 weeks. I want to take clomid DURING my cycle (50mg EOD) to maintain testicular size and volume. I have never done that before. Ive heard it works and i want to try it myself. My main question is, if i take 50mg EOD during my cycle is there a possibility of building up a tolerance to the clomid so that it is not as effective during my PCT after my cycle? The standard clomid and nolva for my pct's have always worked wonders. Toremefine isn't that bad either, but i prefer clomid as i 100% know it works for me.
    Clomid is not HCG .
    you are on wrong track

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop View Post
    because oldtimers didnt know anybetter and user SARM's for gyno control. the issue with that is sure its blocking the gyno at breast glands. but its NOT lowering your bodys overall estrogen levels so thats not a good thing if its super high in my op.

    never use a SARM for estrogen control unless its just while waiting for yor AUI to take effect (1-2weeks if that and if in very bad case of gyno comming from not being ready)
    Who are you calling oldtimer? *LOL*
    Sad but it is true ..i am officially now an oldtimer.

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    I dont claim to know it all JP I did my research I seen the options and i picked 1. Im not the only person on this site that is using clomid while on. All I can say its working for me maybe next time ill try hcg . Iv read that it help to prevent complete shutdown iv also read that it doesnt. Guess ill find out on my own brother but so far so good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop View Post
    Clomid use during aas cycle to keep you from getting shut down or keeping balls big?
    You dont have a clue what you are doing. and maybe should have taken time to study for a while longer before starting this.
    you got cycle part right though.

    Clomid does what you think arimidex does..... and amiridex is what you use during cycle to lower estrogen and keep gyno away, not clomid or other SERMS.
    HCG can keep balls full and can be used during or neard end of cycle to help PCT (but not into PCT)*I rec tailend

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    But you think the AI blocks estrogen.... and that Clomid stops shutdown. I DO have issue with that.
    Even if in your OP Clomid helps and you are right, you still dont seem to know ABOUT the compounds themselvs.

    I wish you the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop View Post
    But you think the AI blocks estrogen.... and that Clomid stops shutdown. I DO have issue with that.
    Even if in your OP Clomid helps and you are right, you still dont seem to know ABOUT the compounds themselvs.

    I wish you the best.
    Well then im all ears brother holla im all about getting more info. To my knowledge Arimidex works by decreasing the amount of estrogen the body makes. Correct me if im wrong and stop the sarcastic shit and talk to a nigga

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    How come you guys are using clomid instead of hcg ? What's the huge downside of hcg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by h2o View Post
    Well then im all ears brother holla im all about getting more info. To my knowledge Arimidex works by decreasing the amount of estrogen the body makes. Correct me if im wrong and stop the sarcastic shit and talk to a nigga
    Cliffs:
    Normally:
    Hypothalimus produces GnRH
    GnRH goes to the Pituitary Gland, where it stimulates the production of leutinizing hormone
    leutinizing hormone makes it way to the testicles, where it stimulates the production of Testosterone .

    When you take test the hypothalimus reduces the amount of GnRH it produces, which means no leutinizing hormone produced in pituitary , which means no test produced.

    This cannot be overridden my the mechanism by which serms help to restart us after we are off cycle. Serms antagonize the e receptor in the hypothalimus and trick the body into producing test. It thinks there is no estrogn - the only way males can produce etrogen is by test aromatizing to estrogen. (also somehow there appears to be an increase in aromatase as well in an attempt to increase ). So the body produces test.

    Now - the body will NOT produse test if ther is already an abundence of test present - like when you are on cycle. So you cn believe what yo want - but clomid doesnt "keep your nuts full" or prevent shutdown on cycle.

    Thats all i wanted to share.
    There are guys her elike Swifto and Lemon that know more and could possibly correct any errors in my post. However I think i laymans terms ive summed it up. I hope they jump in.

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    the point is, high estro is not the only thing that causes a negative feedback on your HPTA. high test will also cause negative feedback on your HPTA. so during a cycle, taking whatever dose of clomid may possibly decrease the negative feedback due to high estro by just a tiny bit, but nothing is stopping the high test from suppressing your HPTA. with a beginners' cycle of 500mg/wk, thats close to 10x what your body naturally produce. that alone will definitely stop your HPTA from producing any natty test, and ballz will shrink because your body thinks that they are not needed anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    Cliffs:
    Normally:
    Hypothalimus produces GnRH
    GnRH goes to the Pituitary Gland, where it stimulates the production of leutinizing hormone
    leutinizing hormone makes it way to the testicles, where it stimulates the production of Testosterone .

    When you take test the hypothalimus reduces the amount of GnRH it produces, which means no leutinizing hormone produced in pituitary , which means no test produced.

    This cannot be overridden my the mechanism by which serms help to restart us after we are off cycle. Serms antagonize the e receptor in the hypothalimus and trick the body into producing test. It thinks there is no estrogn - the only way males can produce etrogen is by test aromatizing to estrogen. (also somehow there appears to be an increase in aromatase as well in an attempt to increase ). So the body produces test.

    Now - the body will NOT produse test if ther is already an abundence of test present - like when you are on cycle. So you cn believe what yo want - but clomid doesnt "keep your nuts full" or prevent shutdown on cycle.

    Thats all i wanted to share.
    There are guys her elike Swifto and Lemon that know more and could possibly correct any errors in my post. However I think i laymans terms ive summed it up. I hope they jump in.
    Thanks Jimmy.

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