E2 levels are high

[cjr579]

Just did BW and my E2 levels are 207. Apparently I should have been taking a higher dosage of the liq stane because now I'm dealing with gyno. Do you guys think that a higher dosage of stane will bring my levels down? Or should I jump on letro while I'm still on cycle, get this gyno taken care of and once the lumps subside continue with the stane till pct?
Currently taking nolva too for the gyno

Thanks

[SK1Viking]

whats your cycle look like?

[cjr579]

Planned cycle
week 1-12 tren 300mg/wk
1-14 test 500 mg/wk
Currently in week 7. Dropped my test to 375 to help with gyno
Liq stane 12.5 mg eod first few weeks...gyno showed up and bumped to 12.5 Ed. Now I'm at 25mg Ed

[SK1Viking]

how old is your stane? IS this your first cycle with test or test and a 19nor?

[MickeyKnox]

i did 25mg/day for four days to knock my e2 levels back down. then 12.5ed to maintain. had itchy nips but no lumps.

[cjr579]

Ordered stane before I started cycle so it's fairly new. I've ran a few cycles with test and 19 nors. Also had issues with gyno on previous cycles but it usually occurred at the end of the cycle.
I used an AI from day one this time thinking I would stop the gyno before and I guess my dosage was not enough.

[SK1Viking]

Good. How long have you been on the stane at 25mg? any changes yet?

[cjr579]

Been on the stane at 25mg/day for about 7 days. Also been on nolva for about 10days. I feel like the lumps might be getting smaller but it's so hard to say. My nips are still puffy. Also taking caber in case I have prolactin sides from the 19nor

[SK1Viking]

Thats the problem sometimes when running longer esters when you're gyno prone. Have you tried L-dex, maybe your body isnt responding as well as it should to the

L-stane.

Are you using hcg?

[cjr579]

i did 25mg/day for four days to knock my e2 levels back down. then 12.5ed to maintain. had itchy nips but no lumps.

My nips are just puffy and I have grape size lumps under them. I'm just nervous that the stane won't lower E if it didn't control it in the first place but that's me just worrying. I'd like to think the gyno got out of hand b/c the dosage was low and I didn't realize the half life was 27hr and should have been taken ED from day 1

[SK1Viking]

Drop all of the dosages on your oils see how that works. Remember everyone reacts differently. The best advice i can give you is figure out what your body likes and doesn't like and then stick with it.

[MickeyKnox]

My nips are just puffy and I have grape size lumps under them. I'm just nervous that the stane won't lower E if it didn't control it in the first place but that's me just worrying. I'd like to think the gyno got out of hand b/c the dosage was low and I didn't realize the half life was 27hr and should have been taken ED from day 1

since you have already developed grape size lumps under your nipple i would start a letro protocol asap. the following in formation was posdted here awhile back. sadly i don't recall the author but it has helped many AAs users reverse gyno related issues including progesterone. i have NOT tried this but have researched the information and found it to be spot on. i would not hesitate to run this protocol myself if needed.

Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

[SK1Viking]

and obviously stay on the ai, novla, and caber. that should clear you up.

[cjr579]

Thanks guys for all the help. I'll go ahead a run the gyno reversal proto and see what happens.
SK1, I've tried ldex on a previous cycle but it was a few years old and did not really work.
Not using hcg. My source doesn't get it nor does he get AI's or SERMS. Sucks...I need a new source,right

Maybe my body will response better to adex. If dex only blocks 65% of e would that open the door for high e2 levels and gyno?

[FCVtec]

Are the small lumps visible? I mean the aromasin (stane) alone should bring your levels down. I am at 12.5mg ED and my bloodwork came back with e2 @ 45 which is in range. Your numbers @ 200 are actually really freaking high dude, I would maybe even go to 25mg ED for another few days and when youfeel beter drop it to 12.5mgED and test again if you can. I would drop the NOLVA while on cycle, caber is fine.
Keep an eye for low e2 sides but I dont think that is gonna be a problem for you, I am surprised how high your estro is while taking exemastane...

[cjr579]

The lumps are visible if i raise my arms above my head and stretch. Normal you cant see them just puffy nips. ( which is worst to me)I had been taking the stane at 12.5mg Ed for a few weeks. Bumped it to 25mg/day a couple says before BW and my levels were still that high. I new my e2 levels were high just cause the gyno came on so quick. I'm too surprised the stane did not do its job. Not sure what AI I should use next time I cycle

[FCVtec]

Aromasin is actually supposed to be stronger than adex. I can't help but think your vial was somehow bad or the product deteriorated in the heat or something, never heard of anyone needing that much Aro. For example I was taking almost 1 mg ED of adex and my nipples were still puffy and gyno was coming on so I switched to aromasin from a research chem company I trust and did 25mg ED for a few days then been on 12.5 ED now for a few weeks and feel freaking amazing ans nipples are not puffy at all(just a little sometimes for a short time). Having your estrogen in check is crucial to make good gains and feel good strong and energized bro so I would try a different source and up your dose for now. Are you shaking it very well and drawing liquid right after?

[cjr579]

I agee. It really bothers me that I was taking the stane from day 1 and I still developed gyno. Maybe because my dose was eod and that gave the E enough time to get in. I bumped it to ED once lumps started to form but it really did nothing for lowering my E2. BW after being on stane ED showed my E2 levels at 207. Just doesn't seem right.
I PM'd the RC company with the batch number and they said I was g2g. I shook it up for a few seconds every time b/c it does separate after let sitting. As soon as I shake I draw and there are bunches of particles floating in the barrel.
Im about 6 days into the letro gyno reversal. I know my E2 levels are down now because my sex drive is non existing. Maybe once I get these lumps under control I might give the stane one more chance.

[tboney]

Aromasin is actually supposed to be stronger than adex. I can't help but think your vial was somehow bad or the product deteriorated in the heat or something, never heard of anyone needing that much Aro. For example I was taking almost 1 mg ED of adex and my nipples were still puffy and gyno was coming on so I switched to aromasin from a research chem company I trust and did 25mg ED for a few days then been on 12.5 ED now for a few weeks and feel freaking amazing ans nipples are not puffy at all(just a little sometimes for a short time). Having your estrogen in check is crucial to make good gains and feel good strong and energized bro so I would try a different source and up your dose for now. Are you shaking it very well and drawing liquid right after?

I agree.