First Cycle Decision

[kruno1970]

After much reading and advice on my first post I've finalized what I would like to do for my first cycle.

Any advice would be great.

Week 1-12: Test c or e at 500mg (2 x 250mg; M and Th); AI (Aromasin or Adex at .25ml or .5ml eod); hcg at 500Ui 2x week
PCT: starting 14day after last injections , Novaldex/Clomid at 20mg/100mg for 6 weeks; HCG 500Ui daily for 3 weeks; AI .25ml daily for 5 weeks; Vit E 1000Ui daily for 3 weeks.

1. Are the values I have above correct in terms of mg's, ml's and Ui's?
2. When should I be injecting hog? Day before test injection or day of?
3. Are my HCG amounts good at 500Ui 2x a week during and 500Ui daily for 3 weeks on my PCT?
4. What are the best daily injections of AI for my cycle, .25 or 5 ed or eod?

Please let me know if there are any adjustment I should make before I get started.

Thank you.

[Trying-Hard]

I'll get you started before some of the vets ask you...

How old are you? What are your stats? How long have you been training?

Giving us this info would yield productive answers to your questions.

[clowned]

I assume your nolva/clomid amounts are mixed up. As i'm reading it your saying that your going to run 100mg of nolva every day and 20mg of clomid everyday for pct. As far as everything else. I'd like to comment. But i'm still researching myself. So i'll reserve my comments for a more knowledgeable member.

[fit2bOld]

HCG during PCT is too much. 500 iu is the max for each injection and 1500 iu is the total for the week. Any more than that is wasted by the body. Can you use more, yes but is a waste of your money.

[fukngruvn]

six weeks of pct is overkill for that cycle. as clowned mentioned, I believe you have mixed up your clomid and nolva values. also, some people (including myself) have adverse effects from the clomid, there fore i try to keep the dose low. i would suggest something like this:

nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

where each number is the amount in mg you take per day for that week. so, total 4 weeks pct.

NO AI during pct, and hcg is not necessary during pct.

[Marc_83]

Good info here, I'm newbie as for OCT and PCT. When you use HCG 2x500ui and AI (armidex). do you take it 3 days ofter first injection? or do you wait a certain amount of time till the test is in your system? For Test E, do you wait longer as its a long ester compare to test suspension which is short ester

[haterade]

pretty sure u can wait to start hcg.. but ai should be used from the start.. correct me if im wrong

[kruno1970]

I posted my stats last week but since I'm new I can't attached links to my post if I haven't posted at least 25 times.

I’m 42 yrs old, 5’11” ,170-175lbs, 14% BF. Training for years but at this age the aches and pain are catching up. From 25-35 yrs of age I was around 180lbs at 10% BF. My goal is to get back there. I did do a mass program over the winter and got to 180lbs but the BF was still around 14-15%. Now I'm really feeling it in my joints and i've drop back 170lb.

[kruno1970]

yes that was a mistake nova for 20 and clomid for 100.

[Judah]

Good info here, I'm newbie as for OCT and PCT. When you use HCG 2x500ui and AI (armidex). do you take it 3 days ofter first injection? or do you wait a certain amount of time till the test is in your system? For Test E, do you wait longer as its a long ester compare to test suspension which is short ester

Start everything the same day...test, hcg, and adex. 500iu of hcg a week during your cycle should be fine. Pin 250iu twice a week the same day you pin your test, makes no difference, just easier that way.

[stpete]

After much reading and advice on my first post I've finalized what I would like to do for my first cycle.

Any advice would be great.

Week 1-12: Test c or e at 500mg (2 x 250mg; M and Th); AI (Aromasin or Adex at .25ml or .5ml eod); hcg at 500Ui 2x weekadex .25..HCG 250 2xweek is fine
PCT: starting 14day after last injections , Novaldex/Clomid at 20mg/100mg for 6 weeks; HCG 500Ui daily for 3 weeks; AI .25ml daily for 5 weeks; Vit E 1000Ui daily for 3 weeks.Clomid-50/50/25/25...Nolva-40/40/20/20...HCG start week 2 to PCT from protocol above..AI from the start to PCT..VIT E all the way thru, what can it hurt?

1. Are the values I have above correct in terms of mg's, ml's and Ui's?
2. When should I be injecting hog? Day before test injection or day of?
3. Are my HCG amounts good at 500Ui 2x a week during and 500Ui daily for 3 weeks on my PCT?
4. What are the best daily injections of AI for my cycle, .25 or 5 ed or eod?

Please let me know if there are any adjustment I should make before I get started.

Thank you.

You are welcome

[kruno1970]

Thank you.

Once question. Why do some people do 4 weeks of dbol to start their test cycle? I have a friend that is in the middle of his test cycle and did dbol for the first 4 weeks although he gained about 15 pounds and then lost most of it.

[austinite]

Thank you.

Once question. Why do some people do 4 weeks of dbol to start their test cycle? I have a friend that is in the middle of his test cycle and did dbol for the first 4 weeks although he gained about 15 pounds and then lost most of it.

Not recommended for their first cycle. People do it to kick start gains.

[Judah]

Thank you.

Once question. Why do some people do 4 weeks of dbol to start their test cycle? I have a friend that is in the middle of his test cycle and did dbol for the first 4 weeks although he gained about 15 pounds and then lost most of it.

Because of the longer ester in test-c your not going to feel much effect until 4-6 weeks. Dbol is used fill that gap.

Don't do it. Orals are hard on your body. Maybe another time another time after you have a few cycles under your belt.

[John Andrew]

I never bother with orals. Why use something for a quick gain. After 32 years of training I think I have enough patience to wait for the results I want. Good luck, John

[kruno1970]

I was just curious as I've already been advised and read enough to not do dbol on first cycle. The gains are not what I'm after necessarily so dbol is not appealing. If test provides that well-being aspect (no aches or pains) and gains later in the cycle then that's perfect.

Thanks again everyone.