First 10 week Cycle. Test E & Winstrol

**<JCVD>** · 07-30-2012, 11:57 AM

My first cycle.

Test Enanthate 250mg x twice a week for 12weeks [2ml per week]

Winstrol 10mg Orals, 4 a day (Mon-Fri) for the first 5 weeks. [40mg per day]

PCT 4 Weeks

Nolva 40/40/20/20

Clomid 100/50/50/50

The above have been aquired, still waiting on the HCG and want a bit of advice on when is the best time to take it coming towards the end/after the cycle before/during PCT. Will 5000iu be ok?

I wont be starting the cycle until mid august as want to ensure everything is at hand from the get go. Is there anything else i should consider whilst running this cycle.

Some stats

Age: 25

Weight: 86.4kg

Height: 5'11''

BF: 12.9%

Thank you.

**austinite** · 07-30-2012, 03:01 PM

Welcome JCVD,

Drop the winny. Run Test E just like you have it for 12 weeks instead of 10. You don't mention anythinng about an AI, you will need to aquire this as well, such as adex, use at .25 EOD during test cycle. Use HCG on cycle, not during PCT. Your PCT looks fine.

Good luck.

**slatts77** · 07-30-2012, 03:07 PM

is the test e 250mg/mL or did he just make a typo

**austinite** · 07-30-2012, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by slatts77

is the test e 250mg/mL or did he just make a typo

500 mg per week total is what I meant.

**Readeck11** · 07-30-2012, 03:19 PM

You shoul drop the winstrol run everything else and get and AI.

**<JCVD>** · 07-30-2012, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Welcome JCVD,

Drop the winny. Run Test E just like you have it for 12 weeks instead of 10. You don't mention anythinng about an AI, you will need to aquire this as well, such as adex, use at .25 EOD during test cycle. Use HCG on cycle, not during PCT. Your PCT looks fine.

Good luck.

Thanks.

Ive already got the winny, any reason why I should not take the winny other than the fact its my first cycle and have read its probably best not to combine to separate compounds first time out. Have you had a bad experience with it? The dosing isnt too harsh at 40mg per day is it? The reason I bought them was to give me a boost until the test kicks in properly and to reduce water retension, tighten up. My goals are to gain lean muscle and more definition, not looking to really mass up. Could you give me a brief list of a week by week (1-12) procedure of what you recomend to take whilst cycling, in relation to the HCG and AI and what dosage??

**mxer657** · 07-30-2012, 03:30 PM

Winny has a lot of sides. Stick with test for the first cycle and you will still gain 10-15lbs if you do it right. Save winny for next time around (assuming all goes well)

**deathdodger** · 07-30-2012, 03:30 PM

It all looks good get an anti estrogen you might need it.

**<JCVD>** · 07-30-2012, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by mxer657

Winny has a lot of sides. Stick with test for the first cycle and you will still gain 10-15lbs if you do it right. Save winny for next time around (assuming all goes well)

Thats it, Im not in a rush to start it, want to have everything in order before I start so it all goes to plan. I appreciate all the advice and help.

**austinite** · 07-30-2012, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by <JCVD>

Thanks.

Ive already got the winny, any reason why I should not take the winny other than the fact its my first cycle and have read its probably best not to combine to separate compounds first time out. Have you had a bad experience with it? The dosing isnt too harsh at 40mg per day is it? The reason I bought them was to give me a boost until the test kicks in properly and to reduce water retension, tighten up. My goals are to gain lean muscle and more definition, not looking to really mass up. Could you give me a brief list of a week by week (1-12) procedure of what you recomend to take whilst cycling, in relation to the HCG and AI and what dosage??

Just because you have winny doesnt mean you have to run it. You dont even know how you will react to Test. Take both and you wont know which one is causing the sides that you cant handle.

Week 1 to 12 - 250mg TEST E pinned every monday and thursday.
Adex @.25 EOD
PCT 14 days after last pin clomid 100/50/50/50 -- novla 40/20/20/20

You realy need to spend another 6 months to a year of research.

**<JCVD>** · 07-30-2012, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by deathdodger

It all looks good get an anti estrogen you might need it.

Yep I have Nolvadex on hand for that.

**austinite** · 07-30-2012, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by <JCVD>

Yep I have Nolvadex on hand for that.

Save that for PCT.

**<JCVD>** · 08-23-2012, 04:13 PM

Almost 4 weeks on from my first post.

Down to 11.9% bodyfat now at 87.5kg with my current plan and diet. Plan on starting the cycle soon. I got an AI in the form of arimedex, 30 x 1 mg tabs. So will split them into 4 equal pieces. when you say eod, do you mean everyday apart from mon and thurs (pin days) or every second day in general. Also Hcg is on the way. Ive been reseaching the site on the best way to take this and what dosage and when. Their seems to be a lot of varied opinions on what works best. Any more advice on that would be appreciated.

Test, winny (if I do go with it), arimedex, clomid, nolva, pins/barrels etc are all ready to go.

I am also supplementing my strict diet with omega 3 fish oil, cod liver oil, primrose oil, whey protein, glutamine, bcaa's, tea tree extract, calcium magnesium and zinc all in one tab and finally have milk thistle 175mg tabs there too. Blood work is booked in for next week also. Still training hard and eating well, but edging to get going all the same. All advice welcome for consideration. Thanks

And yes I have decided to go for 12 weeks now instead of the original 10, thank you!

**stpete** · 08-23-2012, 04:57 PM

Every second day in general.

Save the winny for another cycle as you're not running it the way you should be running it, and quite frankly, you're not ready for it yet.

250iu's HCG every 3rd day from week 3 to PCT.

**<JCVD>** · 08-23-2012, 05:02 PM

Thanks man, I will do that with the HCG so. Can you elaborate on how to take winny properly? Are you reffering me not taking it right because its mon-fri (idea was to give liver slight break in between weeks) or is the dosage too high/low in your opinion? Im just very eager to learn more from people with a lot of experience with it. I am wanting to take it for that extra push in the first few weeks but still on the fence about it.

**<JCVD>** · 08-24-2012, 06:07 AM

Would it be a better option to just do the test and once I know Im free from any major sides to it after a few weeks, thn schedule to add the winny in for the final 5 weeks of the cycle instead of the start?

**<JCVD>** · 09-04-2012, 08:54 AM

Bump still a few unanswered questions regarding the winny. I know was advised to just run test by some people but if was to run it I want to know the best method to take it from people who are experienced with it and if had any sides out of the norm. I have everything in place to start now. Was planning to start cycle this monday.

Test E 1-12 500mg per week

Winstrol - Still undecided what to do, have 100 x 10mg tabs on hand.

Arimedex .25mg every second day (start in week 2 or first week?)

HCG every third day from week 3 up to start of PCT

PCT two weeks after last pin

Nolva 40/20/20/20

Clomid 100/50/50/50

**Shsm** · 09-04-2012, 02:26 PM

It's your first cycle. Listen to the other posters and run test e only. Store the winny away for later use. It's not going to get moldy. Everything else looks pretty good.

**<JCVD>** · 09-04-2012, 04:26 PM

Yes I know its my first cycle, just want to know more info on the winny and how to run it please instead of completely disregarding the idea. Id like my questions I asked earlier answered if possible, cheers

**Shsm** · 09-04-2012, 07:03 PM

The above posters explained it to you buddy. Winstrol has a lot of side effects and you don't know how you'll react to test. If you take both how are you supposed know which compound is producing the side effects you can't handle? You say you want everything in order before you start so it goes as planned, so drop the winny and use it some other time. Respected members in this thread are giving you solid advice, either abide by it or have fun ****ing yourself up.

**warmouth** · 09-04-2012, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Shsm

The above posters explained it to you buddy. Winstrol has a lot of side effects and you don't know how you'll react to test. If you take both how are you supposed know which compound is producing the side effects you can't handle? You say you want everything in order before you start so it goes as planned, so drop the winny and use it some other time. Respected members in this thread are giving you solid advice, either abide by it or have fun ****ing yourself up.

ou picked up everything the vets said and posted it right here. You picked it right up, but he is avoiding the sound advice because he wants to give it a go anyways. I just dont understand.....And to the OP. If you really are on a strict diet, BF is infact at 11ish%, the test will continue to get those results even better as long as you stick to whatever you are doing. It enhances what you are doing. And there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to run winny because test is used as the base for any cycle. You need test only to make sure you do not suffer any negative sides or at least learn how to control them if you get them. It all goes well for 12 weeks, plan on trying the winny on the next go around. That way, if something negative that didnt happen to you on your test ONLY cycle affects you, you will KNOW IT IS THE WINNY and not the test. Then you will be able to adjust accordingly because you will know which compound is doing what. If you start the winny the last 5 weeks, you still wont know because of the long ester of the Test E and the short half-life of the winny. The Enanthate ester will take some time before you really "see or feel" anything anyways. Just wait. Why even buck the vets and demand answers when they are given in every post, more or less. Good luck!

**<JCVD>** · 09-04-2012, 08:07 PM

Cheers man, I do appreciate the advice, but I just want to learn more. What sides have you guys experienced with it. I understand I need to see how I react to test that why I was toying with the idea of running test e and then if all is going well add in the wistrol for the last 4-5weeks to help with some definition. I just want more info good or bad from it from personal experience.

**<JCVD>** · 09-04-2012, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by warmouth

ou picked up everything the vets said and posted it right here. You picked it right up, but he is avoiding the sound advice because he wants to give it a go anyways. I just dont understand.....And to the OP. If you really are on a strict diet, BF is infact at 11ish%, the test will continue to get those results even better as long as you stick to whatever you are doing. It enhances what you are doing. And there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to run winny because test is used as the base for any cycle. You need test only to make sure you do not suffer any negative sides or at least learn how to control them if you get them. It all goes well for 12 weeks, plan on trying the winny on the next go around. That way, if something negative that didnt happen to you on your test ONLY cycle affects you, you will KNOW IT IS THE WINNY and not the test. Then you will be able to adjust accordingly because you will know which compound is doing what. If you start the winny the last 5 weeks, you still wont know because of the long ester of the Test E and the short half-life of the winny. The Enanthate ester will take some time before you really "see or feel" anything anyways. Just wait. Why even buck the vets and demand answers when they are given in every post, more or less. Good luck!

Thanks, Im just planning on running one cycle and then hopefully get my natural levels back up as quickly as possible and maintain my gains through diet and consistant training which I have been doing. As I plan on running just one cycle and am shutting my natural production down with just test e, I want to make sure it was worth my while. If I dropped the winny altogether could I increase the level of TEST E from weeks 6-12 to 750mg per week, would this add much of an extra kick with little to no extra sides compared to sticking to the 500mg ????

The amount of actual testostorone in test e is 60-70 % right, so want to make sure I got the correct dosages in place. 500mg of test e a week is really only about 300-350mg of testostorone a week, so should i increase the amount to 600-750mg from the start even? weeks 1-12?

**warmouth** · 09-04-2012, 11:27 PM

The 500 mgs pinned 2X week mon and thurs will be more than sufficient for anyone. No need for the 750mgs, as you will more than likely me at a much higher risk of sides than the 500mgs. Results will be great, as long as you maintain a great diet. IMO, winny never needs to be used on cycle anyways. If you are just using it for a better overall look, you can do that with test/diet stack easier and safer. Winny is a great compound, but it isnt a mild one as some newbs claim. It can cause pain, and believe it or not, it can lead to gyno and bloat. Not a trait of it, but it can. And I promise you this, this test cycle will not be your last. Just keep the winny on standby. You will use it within 4 or 5 months, I guarantee it! My first cycle was 350mgs test a week and I got awesome gains, no sides, kept gains, and still look great. Test will help you lose BF much faster than diet alone, but diet is necessary to drop the weight, as well as proper training. Good luck, and save that winny for the next go 'round. It'll happen, give it time.