help with next cycle please! need experienced knowledge

**nate1988** · 07-30-2012, 10:03 PM

hey experienced guys i am wanting to run my second cycle. my stats as of today are 6ft 1in 25yrs old 219lbs bf around 14% . My first i ran about 4months ago it was test prop at 100mg eod, eq at 150mg eod. I am wanting to start another cycle soon but i wanna get everything to run it before i start pct everything. i wanna stay close to my same size i am now just more muscle and tone. i am questionable about what cycle to run. a buddy of mine keeps pushing test p and tren . what do guys think?

**austinite** · 07-30-2012, 10:06 PM

Hey nate. I dont think you should run tren just yet. Curious, how long was your cycle of eq and prop?

**kronik420** · 07-30-2012, 10:10 PM

if you were happy with your 1st cycle and had no bad sides, probably just repeat. btw 1st cycle should have been test only.

**nate1988** · 07-30-2012, 10:31 PM

my first cycle was 12wks .

**BlueWaffle21** · 07-30-2012, 10:34 PM

Damn 12 weeks of EOD pinning!?!?!

**austinite** · 07-30-2012, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by nate1988

my first cycle was 12wks .

ok. thats a lot of prop

. I would wait on the Tren . Just be sure not to run EQ again, it really is a waste of money. Especially at doses under 650mg for less than 16 weeks.

Anyway, I would run a Test E cycle @ 500mg EW for 10 weeks and run your prop for weeks 11 & 12, adex @.25 EOD and pct of nolva and clomid 3 days later. Now that you've run a cycle, it's time to see what Test can do with proper nutrition. Fix diet, run test only and you will be a happy man.

**nate1988** · 07-30-2012, 10:36 PM

with the test and eq i had real good results far as strength and a little muscle gains. but i was a little heavier when i started it. but as i went through the cycle i lowered body fat and gained muscle. after cycle i cut hard for about a month and cut about 21lbs. and now i have lost size and tone.

**nate1988** · 07-30-2012, 10:50 PM

and my hook up keeps preaching that for what im he swears by tren and test. But he was also the one that told me to run eq. But the eq did work for me im just very lucky i suffered no sides. Shoulda just been test only on first cycle. i just wanna run a good cycle my nutrition and diet is good 1 year ago i was 283lbs about 32%bf so i have that part down. i just need the right cycle.

**austinite** · 07-30-2012, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by nate1988

and my hook up keeps preaching that for what im he swears by tren and test. But he was also the one that told me to run eq. But the eq did work for me im just very lucky i suffered no sides. Shoulda just been test only on first cycle. i just wanna run a good cycle my nutrition and diet is good 1 year ago i was 283lbs about 32%bf so i have that part down. i just need the right cycle.

Never ever take advice from your source.

You have a good frame to build on. There is no reason why Test only cant get you to your goals, unless diet is off.

**BlueWaffle21** · 07-30-2012, 10:55 PM

A guy on here named Swifto did a great write up about growing into your dose. You could run many Test cycles without ever increasing the dose and continue to make gains. Run a solid 12 week Test E cycle with an AI and PCT and of course a solid diet/training program. You will be happy with that!!

**nate1988** · 07-31-2012, 08:43 AM

ok i really appreciate advice. i did try test e before at 250mg twice a week for about 7wks and wasn't really noticing any different so switched to prop and i really liked it. so would it be ok to run thwarting prop instead of e.

**kronik420** · 08-01-2012, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by nate1988

ok i really appreciate advice. i did try test e before at 250mg twice a week for about 7wks and wasn't really noticing any different so switched to prop and i really liked it. so would it be ok to run thwarting prop instead of e.

if you dont mind the extra pinning use the prop, or if you really like pinning you can use test suspension lol.

**Judah** · 08-01-2012, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by nate1988

and my hook up keeps preaching that for what im he swears by tren and test. But he was also the one that told me to run eq. But the eq did work for me im just very lucky i suffered no sides. Shoulda just been test only on first cycle. i just wanna run a good cycle my nutrition and diet is good 1 year ago i was 283lbs about 32%bf so i have that part down. i just need the right cycle.

How do you know what the EQ did for you as apossed to what the test did for you if youn ran them together?

**t-dogg** · 08-01-2012, 01:42 AM

DO NOT listen to your source! For multi reasons!

1) He wants to sell you for his best reasons. E.I Whatever he needs to unload.

2) Probly costs more.

3) Doesnt have a clue whats REALLY best for you at your stage.

With that said, I personally would drop EQ and run test again. A longer ester if you are running more then 8wks, less pinning. Its amazing what simple test runs can do for you with hard, hard work.

**nate1988** · 08-01-2012, 08:08 AM

well with eq in the cycle i felt better in my workout. when i dropped it out of my cycle i didn't feel the same during workout. but this time i am gonna drop the eq and just run test.

**nate1988** · 08-01-2012, 08:11 AM

would it be ok to run for 12 wks again. and what should i take during cycle and for pct. i have seen so many things i get confused. i wanna beable keep as much of my gains as possible. last time i lost alt of it.