First ever cycle

**YOLO10742** · 07-31-2012, 06:16 AM

Hey guys just need some advice on my first ever cycle!!no grilling just facts required has I'm new to this!i have been training on and of for about 6 years!!been training 5 days a week for the past 6 months working on one muscle a day!

Workout routine
Sunday-back
Monday-shoulders
Tuesday-biceps/triceps
Wednesday-rest (cardio)
Thursday-rest
Friday-legs
Saturday-chest

Cycle 10weeks

Test enanthate 250mg ew week 1-10
Winstol oral 30mg Ed week 6-10
Proviron 20 mg Ed
Nolvadex 20 mg Ed

Pct 2 weeks after last shot

5000 iu hcg 3 times a week for week 1
1500iu hcg 3 times a week for week 2
Nolvadex and proviron 20 mg Ed for the 2 weeks

**austinite** · 07-31-2012, 06:56 AM

Welcome,

proposed cycle is not good.

What are your stats? Age/Height/Weight?

**creekrat** · 07-31-2012, 06:57 AM

Age, weight, height, bf%?
Drop the winny and up the test to 250 twice a week. Run the test for 12 weeks and you can run the hcg at 250 iu twice a week from day 1 till you start pct. You will need more time to recover from your workouts. Combine triceps and shoulders, then combine your back and biceps. You can drop to 3 days with weights and have 5 days with cardio. Run the nolva at 40/40/20/20 for pct.

**austinite** · 07-31-2012, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by creekrat

Age, weight, height, bf%?
Drop the winny and up the test to 250 twice a week. Run the test for 12 weeks and you can run the hcg at 250 iu twice a week from day 1 till you start pct. You will need more time to recover from your workouts. Combine triceps and shoulders, then combine your back and biceps. You can drop to 3 days with weights and have 5 days with cardio.

What if he is 16 years old and @ 40% BF?

**creekrat** · 07-31-2012, 07:00 AM

Why I asked for stats

**austinite** · 07-31-2012, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by creekrat

Why I asked for stats

But you gave advice with no stats. Stop doing that please.

**YOLO10742** · 07-31-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

But you gave advice with no stats. Stop doing that please.

Easy people!!ok I'm 25 years old!!height-6ft 3 wieght-179lbs I'm not sure on bf but last month it was 12 %!!

**MuscleInk** · 07-31-2012, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by YOLO10742

Easy people!!ok I'm 25 years old!!height-6ft 3 wieght-179lbs I'm not sure on bf but last month it was 12 %!!

It's an important and necessary question. We get a lot of young guys (less than 30) coming in here daily asking about steroids . Many of them have little or no experience with anabolics, really haven't worked out much, and have NO nutrition plan. They are looking for a way to get in shape, bigger, and buffed by investing as little time as possible (i.e. they want to cut corners). Offering advice to these people is reckless and ill-advised.

Both Austinite and creekrat are correct. Any first cycle should only include testosterone . You have no idea how your body will respond which is why a single compound similar to your body's own testosterone is what should be used. Winstrol is a pretty harsh compound. A common side effect is dryness. This can result in stiff joints or injuries to tendons, ligaments, or muscles. Everyone is different in their tolerability but winstrol definitely is a compound for the more experienced user.

There are several schools of thought on workouts (compound vs. isolation exercise; strength vs hypertrophy, etc). Jumping into a routine won't always yield results unless the program is properly designed to support your goals (e.g. Increase size or cut)

The other problem I see is nutrition. Hopefully you have designed a nutrition plan to support your goals as well because EVERYTHING comes from nutrition. You will see very little immediate or long term benefit if you do not have a nutrition plan that supports your fitness goal. Steroids aren't a magic pill. Without the nutrition to support it, you will not achieve or sustain your goals. To use an analogy, which runs better: (1) a car that is well maintained with proper tire pressure, regular oil and filter changes, high octane gas or (2) a car with regular gas, very low tire pressure and oil and filters that haven't been changed in three or more years? Lack of a well designed nutrition plan would be like driving car #2.....only worse!

I have guys tell me all the time, "my diet is dialed in", "I eat well", "My macros are well managed".....most of the time the answers are complete b.s. Tracking your macros DAILY to make sure your actual intake matches your planned intake requires a bigger commitment than most guys realize but when done correctly isn't that much trouble and will put you on the path to success.

I'd advise you to include your nutrition plan with macros so we can help you with the best cycle to achieve the results desired.

**Times Roman** · 07-31-2012, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

It's an important and necessary question. We get a lot of young guys (less than 30) coming in here daily asking about steroids . Many of them have little or no experience with anabolics, really haven't worked out much, and have NO nutrition plan. They are looking for a way to get in shape, bigger, and buffed by investing as little time as possible (i.e. they want to cut corners). Offering advice to these people is reckless and ill-advised.

Both Austinite and creekrat are correct. Any first cycle should only include testosterone . You have no idea how your body will respond which is why a single compound similar to your body's own testosterone is what should be used. Winstrol is a pretty harsh compound. A common side effect is dryness. This can result in stiff joints or injuries to tendons, ligaments, or muscles. Everyone is different in their tolerability but winstrol definitely is a compound for the more experienced user.

There are several schools of thought on workouts (compound vs. isolation exercise; strength vs hypertrophy, etc). Jumping into a routine won't always yield results unless the program is properly designed to support your goals (e.g. Increase size or cut)

The other problem I see is nutrition. Hopefully you have designed a nutrition plan to support your goals as well because EVERYTHING comes from nutrition. You will see very little immediate or long term benefit if you do not have a nutrition plan that supports your fitness goal. Steroids aren't a magic pill. Without the nutrition to support it, you will not achieve or sustain your goals. To use an analogy, which runs better: (1) a car that is well maintained with proper tire pressure, regular oil and filter changes, high octane gas or (2) a car with regular gas, very low tire pressure and oil and filters that haven't been changed in three or more years? Lack of a well designed nutrition plan would be like driving car #2.....only worse!

I have guys tell me all the time, "my diet is dialed in", "I eat well", "My macros are well managed".....most of the time the answers are complete b.s. Tracking your macros DAILY to make sure your actual intake matches your planned intake requires a bigger commitment than most guys realize but when done correctly isn't that much trouble and will put you on the path to success.

I'd advise you to include your nutrition plan with macros so we can help you with the best cycle to achieve the results desired.

Agree, and articulated well

**YOLO10742** · 07-31-2012, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

It's an important and necessary question. We get a lot of young guys (less than 30) coming in here daily asking about steroids . Many of them have little or no experience with anabolics, really haven't worked out much, and have NO nutrition plan. They are looking for a way to get in shape, bigger, and buffed by investing as little time as possible (i.e. they want to cut corners). Offering advice to these people is reckless and ill-advised.

Both Austinite and creekrat are correct. Any first cycle should only include testosterone . You have no idea how your body will respond which is why a single compound similar to your body's own testosterone is what should be used. Winstrol is a pretty harsh compound. A common side effect is dryness. This can result in stiff joints or injuries to tendons, ligaments, or muscles. Everyone is different in their tolerability but winstrol definitely is a compound for the more experienced user.

There are several schools of thought on workouts (compound vs. isolation exercise; strength vs hypertrophy, etc). Jumping into a routine won't always yield results unless the program is properly designed to support your goals (e.g. Increase size or cut)

The other problem I see is nutrition. Hopefully you have designed a nutrition plan to support your goals as well because EVERYTHING comes from nutrition. You will see very little immediate or long term benefit if you do not have a nutrition plan that supports your fitness goal. Steroids aren't a magic pill. Without the nutrition to support it, you will not achieve or sustain your goals. To use an analogy, which runs better: (1) a car that is well maintained with proper tire pressure, regular oil and filter changes, high octane gas or (2) a car with regular gas, very low tire pressure and oil and filters that haven't been changed in three or more years? Lack of a well designed nutrition plan would be like driving car #2.....only worse!

I have guys tell me all the time, "my diet is dialed in", "I eat well", "My macros are well managed".....most of the time the answers are complete b.s. Tracking your macros DAILY to make sure your actual intake matches your planned intake requires a bigger commitment than most guys realize but when done correctly isn't that much trouble and will put you on the path to success.

I'd advise you to include your nutrition plan with macros so we can help you with the best cycle to achieve the results desired.

Agree with that thank you for that!!!i defo need to sort out my diet!!!the reason why I wanted to use winstrol was to cut down the water towards the end of the cycle but like you said if I got the right diet I will gain lean mass from test!!
Have you got any advice on how to prevent gyno please????