Athlete. Need speed xplosive cycle

**backthen** · 07-31-2012, 08:50 AM

Newby here I posted on the newby page but didn't get much help. I'm a football player and I've done 1 cycle of test and winny about a year and half ago. I want to do another and train for speed and quickness. I don't want to run a long cycle and I want to try tren at a low dose w Clen andor t3. And test obvi. But if it truly will effect my cardio that much I'll reconsider and I know var is a great choice for this but like I said. I have my eyes on tren. I just want advice on what how and why. Thanks.. Btw I'm 22 5'10 210 and I've been injured(ankle) so I need to get my cardio in check.

**Times Roman** · 07-31-2012, 12:14 PM

How did your test + winnie cycle work out for you?

I think you need to grow into your cycle, and right now, you are listing multiple compounds you have no experience wiith, which is too much for you.

if the test + winnie cycle worked out well for you, then stick with that. or switch the winnie for something else.

Btw, tren will compromise your endurance.

why clen ?

Mate,

just because the grocery store offers a wide variety of product, doesn't mean you should load up the grocery cart.

Keep it simple.

You've experienced test. Now only add one compound you have no experience with. this is the scientific approach. if something were to happen, like your blood pressure spike through the roof, or huge bloating, with the grocery list you have, you have no idea which compound is causing the reaction.

Keep it simple. Be smart. Stay healthy.

Good luck!

---Roman

**Metalject** · 07-31-2012, 12:16 PM

Deca and Winny, probably the two biggest football steroids of all time.

**t-dogg** · 07-31-2012, 12:19 PM

Test is the main thing. Clen is good, BUT be careful with it.

How much test/winny did you do before?

**backthen** · 07-31-2012, 01:20 PM

Thank you guys. I did 300mg test e . 100mg of winny at my highest point. I don't want to run winny bc of joints and ligs. Deca can stay in your system too long or I would def use it. I'm not considering tren now. I want a short cycle .. What test is best to run for 6-8 weeks . But also I train hard and don't wanna add 20 pounds. (I added 22 pounds in 6 weeks w test n winny) is 60 mg of var for 6 weeks (w Clen ) too low a dosage ? Like I said I need to get faster . The main reason I considered tren was for squat increase .. And I'd look like a machine.. But scratching it

**t-dogg** · 07-31-2012, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by backthen

Thank you guys. I did 300mg test e . 100mg of winny at my highest point. I don't want to run winny bc of joints and ligs. Deca can stay in your system too long or I would def use it. I'm not considering tren now. I want a short cycle .. What test is best to run for 6-8 weeks . But also I train hard and don't wanna add 20 pounds. (I added 22 pounds in 6 weeks w test n winny) is 60 mg of var for 6 weeks (w Clen ) too low a dosage ? Like I said I need to get faster . The main reason I considered tren was for squat increase .. And I'd look like a machine.. But scratching it

Test P is a good short ester. Good for 8wks. Im running anavar right now at 60mgs for 6wks, great stuff. Keep in mind alot of people have shin pumps and/or back pumps from lifting on anavar, but you get used to it. I run alot, so you just suck it up. Clen can help in fat loss and endurance, it helped me alot in both areas. Research clen to make sure you are ok with it. Also test p is good because its out of your system in 2-3weeks, helps if you are testing.

**Judah** · 07-31-2012, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by backthen

Newby here I posted on the newby page but didn't get much help. I'm a football player and I've done 1 cycle of test and winny about a year and half ago. I want to do another and train for speed and quickness. I don't want to run a long cycle and I want to try tren at a low dose w Clen andor t3. And test obvi. But if it truly will effect my cardio that much I'll reconsider and I know var is a great choice for this but like I said. I have my eyes on tren. I just want advice on what how and why. Thanks.. Btw I'm 22 5'10 210 and I've been injured(ankle) so I need to get my cardio in check.

Tren will crush your cardio bro. Yes it is amazing shit, but being strong and powerful doesnt mean shit if you cant go the distance. You already know that since your an athlete. If you have never done tren before, I would NOT do it ahead of needing to compete. I would try tren on the off season see how it impacts your cardio before testing it ahead of/during competing.

**backthen** · 07-31-2012, 02:24 PM

Thanks a lot ! I've been on and off Clen at a low dosage for a year .. I don't take a high dosage bc I feel it gives me anxiety .. Would cialis be cool to take for lowering bp ?

**backthen** · 07-31-2012, 02:30 PM

Also does anyone have info on natures science labs .. That's where im getting my gear and the last liquid Clen I got was amazing .. Had everyone asking if I lost weight in a week and said I looked more solid. Someone I.m me if they have 411 ..