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08-02-2012, 03:45 PM #81
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i like to take as little as 40mcg of clen before a long cross country mointain bike ride to counter the lung constricting effects or tren ...having the ability to take in more air is never a bad thing in my experiance...got the idea from boneparte on someone elses thread but its solid advise cus it works wonders for me...
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08-02-2012, 03:47 PM #82
I will look into this further, but I am pretty sure the detection time for all test esters is pretty much the same. The esters do make a difference, but it is not huge differences. The differences that exist between esters is more so related to the slower release of longer esters and that's about it (i.e. testosterone propionate is going to metabolize into epitestosterone, which is what they look for in tests, far quicker than testosterone enanthate ). A lot of websites out there are giving out false detection times.
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08-02-2012, 04:02 PM #83Originally Posted by Atomini
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08-02-2012, 04:03 PM #84Junior Member
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do you have to run HCG during?
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08-02-2012, 04:08 PM #85
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08-02-2012, 04:09 PM #86Junior Member
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sorry i saw the answer for that a couple days ago but my post kept getting repeated
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08-02-2012, 05:29 PM #87New Member
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could you start out with tren E and finish up with tren ace for a cycle?
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08-02-2012, 05:36 PM #88
Yes you can. But why would you want to do that? Up to you but it makes things more complex than necessary.
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08-02-2012, 05:49 PM #89New Member
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I'm all about Keep it simple Stupid but order came in with one tren ace and one tren E when it was suppose to be 2 bottles of tren Ace so was wondering if it was worth it to run them or just re order. thanks for all your knowledge and help
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08-02-2012, 05:50 PM #90New Member
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test prop wks 1-8
tren E wks 1-3
tren a wks 4-8
caber 1 mg per week
pct nolva 40/40/20/20
maybe something like this?
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08-02-2012, 07:01 PM #91
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08-02-2012, 09:38 PM #92New Member
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That's what I was kinda hoping for and then I will be able to start my pct quicker as well with finishing with the short acting ester. My only issue would be the long estered tren if i were to experiance untollerable sides. But running the tren and prop the way u have explain i feel like i should be safe. I guess the question Is now mg per pin and Ed or eod for the prop and tren ace.
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08-02-2012, 09:52 PM #93New Member
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Dang that's crazy tren e and ace at the same time to gnarley for me.
I am so stoked to see a great thread on this monster of a steroid so much myth and negative talk and finally it can be all set straight by experience and knowledge. Glad I kept reading this forum I will direct many here. Can't wait to start My next cycle in 3 months! Was Gonna try tren this last cycle but didnt pull the trigger cause didn't feel like I was educated enough.Last edited by shananagins; 08-02-2012 at 09:55 PM.
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08-02-2012, 09:54 PM #94
Bare in mind that the tren enanthate will take longer to kick in, of course. Once it kicks in is usually when you also experience the sides. By then, you'll be using the acetate.
I have done just fine off EOD shots. It's all i've ever done. I haven't tried ED shots yet in all my years of using tren.
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08-02-2012, 10:34 PM #95
Still reading through this. Massive amount of knowledge, looking forward to more by you and your med school!
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08-03-2012, 04:14 AM #96
great post!! STICKY FOR SURE.......... i gained knowledge on everything i needed to no.... the only thing im a bit confused about is if im running tren i use prami instead of an ai like adex right? and i run the prami at upto 1mg per day?
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08-03-2012, 04:47 AM #97
great thread- STICKY FOR SURE!! you answered all my questions atomini...... the only thing im confused about is if im running tren i dont use an ai like adex right? i use prami instead @ .5mg-1mg ???
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08-03-2012, 05:57 AM #98
Yes, this is correct.
IF you are going to use a higher dose of test (or any other aromatizable steroid with it) and you want to keep estrogen under control, you'll need to use an AI with it (along with the Prami/Caber). But this is one of the reasons I reccomend TRT dose of test with tren , so that you don't have to deal with estrogen issues and therefore don't need to be spending money on an AI.
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08-03-2012, 09:41 AM #99
Sticky
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08-03-2012, 10:12 AM #100
UPDATE: I have added a sinificant amount of extra information to the tren -cough question in the FAQ.
I got a bout of full-out tren cough when I injected this morning and it prompted me to look into it and do some further research.
The post has now reached 3000 characters, which is the limit on this forum. Unfortunately, I cannot add anymore to the post. I'm pretty sure at this point i've covered absolutely everything there is to cover about tren. Any additional questions can be answered here I guess.
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08-03-2012, 12:27 PM #101Junior Member
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I took .5mg or prami yesterday afternoon before my workout. Within an hour or so I became so nauseous I had to stop working out and just sit still. The urge to vomit was very strong. I laid down in my bed at about 5pm and didnt wake up until 11:30pm. I chatted with my girlfriend for a couple of hours and fell back asleep until 8:30am. I still feel a slight nausea almost 18 hours later. I did get really good sleep though.
I'm afraid to take that much again! Any advice on how to dose it? Or should I just get some caber?
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08-03-2012, 12:41 PM #104
Forum made me triple post - nevermind this.
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08-03-2012, 12:46 PM #105
Forum made me triple post - nevermind this.
Last edited by Atomini; 08-03-2012 at 01:45 PM.
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08-03-2012, 01:42 PM #106New Member
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sweet was not to pumped on becoming an every day pin cushion. cool so eod will keep blood lvls maintained then and also good news about switching to ace when tren side might occur. but wont the E remain in my system for 2 weeks and does this change any of the dosages up for the tren. what do you feel in your experience would be good mg dosages for the E and ace along with prop?
prop 75/ eod
tren e 150 2/week
tren a 75 eod
??? what do you thinkLast edited by shananagins; 08-03-2012 at 01:47 PM.
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08-03-2012, 01:45 PM #107
I have set a few reccomended dosages in the main guide. You'll see them there. For the most part, it is up to the user to make this decision. By the time you decide to use tren , you should have enough experience as an AAS user to discern these things on your own. Remember that trenbolone is 5x as anabolic as testosterone , and take that into consideration before making any decision.
Also, why the hell is the forum triple-posting some of my replies?? Something wrong with the forum?
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08-03-2012, 01:46 PM #108
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Thanks. One more question (for now). Does the dosage of tren determine the amount of prami/caber necessary? I am taking only 200mg per week of tren e along with my 200mg per week test cyp TRT dose. Will a smaller amount of prami keep prolactin down on a small dose of tren? Conversely is a higher dose of prami needed when taking a high dose of tren?
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08-03-2012, 02:17 PM #110
Nope, no need to increase dosage of your prolactin antagonist in relation to your tren dose. 0.5 or higher of Prami per day, or 0.5 or higher of Caber per week should be enough to keep prolactin secretion in the brain suppressed. I have not had a need to increase the dose, nor have I seen or heard of anyone else having to do so when they use a higher dose of tren.
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08-03-2012, 02:28 PM #111Junior Member
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Do you suppose a low dose of tren like what I'm taking only requires a low dose of daily prami? Like 0.25mg?
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08-03-2012, 02:30 PM #112
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I took .25mg today and I had no side effects. I'll bump it up .05mg per day and see how that goes.
I'm curious about tren side effects. In your experience with a 200mg dose, will the insomnia and sweating be tolerable?
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08-04-2012, 05:07 PM #114
Hi Atomini. Im from Brazil.
Congratulations on an excellent topic.
I would like to take some questions.
Could use lower concentrations of test enanthate (100 mg) instead of propionate ?
The use of stan to reduce prolactin is valid?
How to prevent acne caused by tren ?
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08-04-2012, 05:30 PM #115
Hi Esculptor,
Yes, you can absolutely use 100mg per week of enanthate in place of propionate. Any testosterone ester will do, as long as it falls within the aimed dosing guidelines.
I do not understand your second question. When you say the use of 'stan', do you mean what AR-R refers to as 'liquid Stane', which is Exemestane (also known as Aromasin )?
For your third question about acne, the same technique I reccomended to use against hair loss will also work for acne. The use of Nizoral 2% shampoo will act as a topical androgen antagonist (this means wherever you rub it on, it will block androgens at receptor sites on that area). Therefore, you can use it not only on your scalp to reduce the chances of hair loss, but you can also rub it on parts of your body that tend to be more prone to androgen-related acne during your cycles. It will effectively cause your skin, wherever you rub it on, to secrete less sebum therefore reducing the chances of acne formation. I would also highly reccomend cleaning your skin frequently in acne trouble areas in order to prevent sebum oil buildup. Believe it or not, Dawn dish soap has worked very well for a lot of people due to its efficiency at removing grease and oils from surfaces.
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08-04-2012, 05:44 PM #116
Thanks!
I was referring to will Winstrol (Stanozolol ).
Remarked that it has properties to reduce prolactin. all right?
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you can use the Nizoral to prevent acne?
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08-04-2012, 06:13 PM #118
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how could you know which its coming from?
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