Doctor refused to check estrogen levels

**Super-Chump** · 08-05-2012, 10:33 PM

Today I went to a new doctor (a GP) to get a referral for a blood test and a basic check-up

I explained to her that I was currently in the 4th week of a test-e cycle (500mg p/w) and that I was also taking arimidex . I gave her a list of the things I wanted to be checked, among them was my estrogen levels. She seemed stunned as to why I asked to get my estrogen levels checked. I told her I wasn't experiencing any symptoms of gyno, however lately I was feeling slightly fatigued and dehydrated. She then examined me for gyno, but because I wasn't showing any signs she said that there was no need to check my estrogen levels. No matter what I said to her she refused to check my estrogen levels because, quote: "there is no way that I could justify checking your estrogen levels to medicare". Up until this point I still thought she was a competent doctor but they she whipped out the old "if you have a healthy level naturally the extra testosterone will not help you build muscle at all". Anyway...

The first two weeks I was taking 0.25mg EOD. After week 2 I started to a build up a bit of fat and water around my lower chest, so upon Swifto's advice I increased the dose to 0.25mg ED

Has anyone else had problems like this with a doctor? I still want my estrogen levels to be checked. Do I have to get another referral or could I ask the clinic (where my blood is being drawn) to add it to the list?

**austinite** · 08-05-2012, 10:35 PM

Why did you tell the doc you're on cycle?

I never say anything. I just ask for blood work and get it.

Your doctor has to submit the lab order for the clinic to check your estro. They wont just do it.

**clowned** · 08-05-2012, 10:43 PM

There a GP, there not a steroid specialist.. Sounds like she just didnt want to get in trouble for checking something that she didnt warrant as necessary. Hows she suppose to explain that kind decision to her superiors? "oh he wanted it checked so who am I to question him". Cant imagine it would look good on her. I understand where your coming from, but you've got to understand the reason for hers as well. It's the price you pay for dabbling in illegal substances. Your best bet is to find a GP who does have an understanding on the subject in which case. Can and will be able to justify being able to provide proper care.

**Super-Chump** · 08-05-2012, 11:13 PM

Well it was my first time asking a doctor for a blood test so excuse my ignorance. I've always been open with my usual doctor and it didn't really seem like a taboo area for him

Ok well next time I wont tell them I'm on a cycle, but what if they ask why I want these specific things checked?

**warmouth** · 08-05-2012, 11:14 PM

Why wouldshe have to explain it to medicare anyways? Please dont tell me.............

**austinite** · 08-05-2012, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Super-Chump

Well it was my first time asking a doctor for a blood test so excuse my ignorance. I've always been open with my usual doctor and it didn't really seem like a taboo area for him

Ok well next time I wont tell them I'm on a cycle, but what if they ask why I want these specific things checked?

Hope insurance doesnt get ahold of that info.

**Super-Chump** · 08-05-2012, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by warmouth

Why wouldshe have to explain it to medicare anyways? Please dont tell me.............

Tell you what...?

Originally Posted by austinite

Hope insurance doesnt get ahold of that info.

No insurance, only medicare.

Alright so lets say next time I go in and I don't tell them I'm on a cycle. How would they justify testing me for estrogen then?

**cjr579** · 08-06-2012, 08:53 AM

Go to privatemdlabs.com. Check whatever levels you want no questions.

**gixxerboy1** · 08-06-2012, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Super-Chump

Tell you what...?

No insurance, only medicare.

Alright so lets say next time I go in and I don't tell them I'm on a cycle. How would they justify testing me for estrogen then?

your probably not going to justify it. And you want medicare to pay for blood work to check how your use of illegal drugs is going.
You want it tested go someplace and pay cash for it. Then you dont need to justify or explain anything

**Capebuffalo** · 08-06-2012, 12:48 PM

At 22 yrs old you should not be doing aas. But you are going to do them and want me to pay for you test at the doctors. That's f*ing unacceptable. Go to a private lab freeloader and pay your own way. You can afford the juice pay for your own way in life. Still living in your mom's basement?

**Atomini** · 08-06-2012, 12:59 PM

Super-Chump,

It has already been stated that at 22 you shouldn't be doing a cycle, so I won't harp on that. But, what country do you live in? Canada? UK? Doesn't sound like you're American, because in reference to your doctor saying "there is no way that I could justify checking your estrogen levels to medicare", if you live in the UK or Canada, she is absolutely correct. I attempted the same thing with my doctor years ago (I asked him for full hormone panel bloodwork pre and post-cycle to monitor myself) and he refused, because that would mean I am abusing the medicare system to get blood tests for something that is not essential and not needed. Totally understandable, and I agree with what he said. Though I did get bloodwork from him, and still do... he does not check for everything I need or would like him to. The reasoning is because for doctors to initialize bloodwork in countries like Canada and the UK where we have public healthcare, he/she needs to have a justifiable reason for doing so - and AAS use for performance/physique enhancement is not a legitemate reason. How would you like it if you knew someone else was abusing the health care system - getting bloodwork for something non-essential - that you pay into every year?

Your best bet is a private med lab where you can just pay out yourself and get the test results you need. You cannot rely on your GP for this kind of stuff, and you're very lucky she didn't place your AAS use on your file for potential insurance to see. Why do you think that doctors ask you about alcohol, smoking, drug habit questions, etc. when you have your first meet and greet with them? They need to know these things for insurance purposes, because if you do have insurance and you have a heart attack in 5 years, the insurance company can see on your file that your doctor reported that you are an anabolic steroid user - and then your insurance company refuses to compensate you.

Unless you know your doctor and know him/her really well - do not tell them you juice.

EDIT: I don't know about the new recently-established medicare laws in the States, so maybe you are American but either way if you're covered under medicare, these are the reasons why you are being refused bloodwork.

**rasc170** · 08-06-2012, 01:26 PM

dude you're dumb. Why do people even consider doing bloodwork thru insurance when they use AAS? Let's say your bloodwork comes back and something is off. Now you have to deal with "pre existing conditions" if you ever change insurance.