Sust tren question

[Mrcivil]

My mate and I are running a very similar cycle of dbol 40mg Ed for 4 weeks and running 2 ml sust 250 pinning wed morning sat night for 12 weeks my mate has a source on some good tren ace and was talking about bringing it into the cycle at 75 mg eod starting at week 6 I wasn't sure about tren have read a fair bit hear and there know a couple people who have used it and loved it. Is it viable bringing it in mid cycle an running til the end or is it better to run it from the start couple people I know say it's fine just thought I'd ask for more opinions a lil bit of knowledge never hurts

[PT]

if it was me i would run it from the middle to end. with that said i dont know your age or how many cycles you have done so that makes it harder to give you advice. tren can be nasty

[atrainwright]

You would want to start them simultaneously and finish any cycle with a few weeks of test only. It makes going into your pct much smoother.

[Mrcivil]

30 first cycle 6 ft 112 kg 17% bf week 2 so far of cycle feeling great strength is up massively holding bit of water from the dbols but really feeling amazing as I was saying got a lot of Mates who have done multiple cycles and swear by tren I have done a bit of research and I understand as well from what Mayes have said it can be full on tren just wanna know if it is a option to run it from midway to just before the end

[ScotchGuard02]

Make sure you're ready for the Tren sides. The coughing's minor but anorgasmia's emotionally tough. There's a good chance you'll get it so have some caber or prami on hand.

[Capebuffalo]

If this is your first cycle do not run tren. If you are over 15% bf. Do not use steroids. If you do I hope you are not gyno prone. Are you running an ai?

[Mrcivil]

Fair enough about not running tren first cycle but I better run an tell all the power lifters and strongman guys I train with that they better stop doing cycles because there body fat is higher than 15% I know quite a few people who run cycle over 15% bf and never had a issue I have liquidex on hand for any sides as far the only ones I have is being puffy from bloody dbols but my lifts are up so good with bad and only a couple weeks left of them. Once again though back to my original question can tren a be bought into a cycle from 6 weeks and run til say 11 if the doses higher tren than test ?

[Metalject]

If this is your first cycle do not run tren. If you are over 15% bf. Do not use steroids. If you do I hope you are not gyno prone. Are you running an ai?

Gyno can be protected from just as easily when you're over 15% BF. Plus, steroids are only going to speed up the metabolism and help shed BF.

[Metalject]

My mate and I are running a very similar cycle of dbol 40mg Ed for 4 weeks and running 2 ml sust 250 pinning wed morning sat night for 12 weeks my mate has a source on some good tren ace and was talking about bringing it into the cycle at 75 mg eod starting at week 6 I wasn't sure about tren have read a fair bit hear and there know a couple people who have used it and loved it. Is it viable bringing it in mid cycle an running til the end or is it better to run it from the start couple people I know say it's fine just thought I'd ask for more opinions a lil bit of knowledge never hurts

Sounds like you've got a good plan going already. Being your first cycle, I don't see anything wrong with a test/dbol combo you have going. If I were you, I'd finish this plan out and consider Tren your next go around. You could run the same cycle again, this time adding in Tren...Test/Tren/Dbol is by far one of my favorite combos.

Also, Tren can be added in at any time in a cycle.

[Judah]

Fair enough about not running tren first cycle but I better run an tell all the power lifters and strongman guys I train with that they better stop doing cycles because there body fat is higher than 15% I know quite a few people who run cycle over 15% bf and never had a issue I have liquidex on hand for any sides as far the only ones I have is being puffy from bloody dbols but my lifts are up so good with bad and only a couple weeks left of them. Once again though back to my original question can tren a be bought into a cycle from 6 weeks and run til say 11 if the doses higher tren than test ?

Besides higher possibility of some sides, the point of running gear under 15% bF is so you can actually see the results. Power litters and strong men care nothing about how they look, they care about size and strength.

[Metalject]

Besides higher possibility of some sides, the point of running gear under 15% bF is so you can actually see the results. Power litters and strong men care nothing about how they look, they care about size and strength.

The way I see it, 15% is not that high in the grand scheme of life...it's actually considered healthy in most medical circles. Anyway, yes, you'll look better when you're using steroids and at a lower BF%, that's a given and I wouldn't pretend to argue otherwise. However, this is a perfectly acceptable level of BF to run a cycle IMO and all it will do is help, it's not going to hurt.

If you're 15% BF you have two choices. Naturally lose fat and in the process you're going to lose a fair amount of muscle tissue along the way...it will happen, it's inevitable. Or, you could start a cycle, start losing BF and you'll protect your muscle tissue, burn more body fat and have a better looking physique standing there at the other end. You could create a serious transformation with a solid 16wk plan with any man that's at 15% BF.

[Judah]

The way I see it, 15% is not that high in the grand scheme of life...it's actually considered healthy in most medical circles. Anyway, yes, you'll look better when you're using steroids and at a lower BF%, that's a given and I wouldn't pretend to argue otherwise. However, this is a perfectly acceptable level of BF to run a cycle IMO and all it will do is help, it's not going to hurt.

If you're 15% BF you have two choices. Naturally lose fat and in the process you're going to lose a fair amount of muscle tissue along the way...it will happen, it's inevitable. Or, you could start a cycle, start losing BF and you'll protect your muscle tissue, burn more body fat and have a better looking physique standing there at the other end. You could create a serious transformation with a solid 16wk plan with any man that's at 15% BF.

I never said not to do it or that it was a bad idea. I simply said the "the point of running gear under 15% BF..."

If you train hard/right and eat right and do a cycle above 15%, your net result before and after will be better. Just a matter of how dramatic to you want it to be?

[Mrcivil]

I am training power lifting and I'm not to drastically troubled about my overall physique I am looking to increase my strength and yes as metal said if I burn a bit of bf along the way and not loose my strength then happy days as it is I eat clean train hard I have had my bf lower but really don't like the hit I take in muscle mass when I am lower I have trained for a few years and it was a natural step for me to run a cycle as a lot of people I know and train with have done them and I have been amazed at the change in there training. I am starting to get some of those now and I'm loving it I am nowhere near as fatigued after a heavy set I can jump back in and hit another set hit the reps it amazes me. I was thinking of the tren as my Mates gunna do it in his he has run tren since his second cycle and loves it I just thought the bonus of running it for a few weeks towards the end would be a good way to drop the extra water from the cycle and lean out a bit of body fat towards the end thanks for the feedback metal jet good to see some good advice on here

[Capebuffalo]

Gyno can be protected from just as easily when you're over 15% BF. Plus, steroids are only going to speed up the metabolism and help shed BF.

Body fat (adipose tissue) is the main site for androgens to convert to estrogens. Therefore, being overweight or having high body fat increases your gyno risk. This is another good reason to go on a cutting cycle if you are gyno prone. Reducing body fat will lower your rate of estrogen conversion from aromatizing steroids.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.UCD9zKOd6So

[gonzo6183]

As mentioned you really should NOT use tren in your first cycle, very bad idea. Save it for a few further down the track, some time after your third