Tren/prop/mast

[jch3131]

This is my second time using tren and the first time I started developing gyno so I took some liquid letro and things were fine. Huge sex drive rock hard all the time with help of liquid Cialis. This time I'm not taking the letro but I do have some adex that I think is bunk bc my sex drive is nonexistent either are erections and Cialis isn't doing it for me now. I bought some prami bc I thought my prolactin was high and the prami killed my sleep at .25mg ED and made me ultra sensitive in bed bc now im a min man. I'm pretty stumped here. You think my estrogen is too high? Should I try a low dose of liquid letro for a week and see if that helps? I know tren is bad for sex but I had no problems last cycle.

[jch3131]

Cycle is 400mg tren/400mg mast/600mg prop

Test too low?

[measuretwicecutonce]

too low?????? way high.
lower prop to 250-300. more test = more aromotizing = more estrogen = more progesterone = more dreadful drreeeaaaadful tren sides. thats probably why you got gyno last time because ur test was to high n thats y things got better when u added letro. try caber dostinex or bromo instead of prami then. also i would thro the mast at the end of your cycle to harder you up. no need to use it the whole cycle imo.

[measuretwicecutonce]

n also what was ur first cycle with tren? n whats ur planned pct? tren e or tren a? n u should pin those together and ED not EOD for both prop n Acetate.

[jch3131]

Drop the test lower than the tren? I thought that was bad juju

[jch3131]

Last cycle was 700mg prop a week and 400mg tren A, no different from this cycle just added mast

[measuretwicecutonce]

noooo. ALOT of people will agree that test should b lower n all the = signs explains y. people used to run test higher than tren bcuz its a nadrolone. deca (also a nadrolone) needs the test higher. but tren is different in a lot of ways. Atomiti actually has a GREAT post its a sticky at the top of this forum page, n i myself agrees with everything in there. check it out.

whats ur cycle length n pct? for tren i would recommend hcg bcuz it REALLY will shut u down more so than high test dosages. u don't have to run it the entire cycle, a lot of people don't cuz of budgeting, but you can incorporate it in ur a week or 2 before ur last pin up until ur pct to boost ur lh/hpta/natural goods, n quicker recovery

[measuretwicecutonce]

again way too much test IMO. MOST LIKELY the reason u had gyno n sides. the reason i would add mast in the last hagfish end of ur cycle is it would lower ur E even more n at 250-350 a week test there won't be much aromatizing n u need that little bit of e to get gains. you still gain on mast but its more strength/hardening than actual anabolic muscle building.

[measuretwicecutonce]

half-ish* not hag-fish lol..

[measuretwicecutonce]

400mg tren is good tho. n if ur using acetate u may even bump it to 500 mid cycle (assuming that u run the lower test, bcuz the sides will be less u most likely will want to give it that extra bump) but 100 extra is MORE than enough to make u happier than 400 a week

[jch3131]

Bump for more suggestions

[lca5000]

Get blood work done to see where levels are at .At the minute your just guessing and want to throw more chemicals in to the mix and could make thing worse

[jch3131]

Yeah u are right I was getting desperate lol. I might just throw the tren out for now and finish on a test only cycle. I can't find caber and this prami is just more trouble than it's worth

[songdog]

Bro it is all guess work without bloodwork.That will tell you wats up.