I been looking at a lot of things that the people suggest for mass or first cycle, and 8/10 recommends test. If test if so good and superior what the purpose of taking anything else?? just curious and trying to get post count up
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I been looking at a lot of things that the people suggest for mass or first cycle, and 8/10 recommends test. If test if so good and superior what the purpose of taking anything else?? just curious and trying to get post count up
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different steroids do different things to different people. some retain water, some do not. some are highly androgenic, some are not. some are mild, others are harsh. some are more conducive to taking for women, others (like test) are not.
what ever the cycle, at a minimun should include test (males only)
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i know test plays a big part in the muscle building process. i over heard a few guys in the gym talking a while back that test should only be taken if you inject and not for orals. I had to dip in the conversation and ask why. The guy said " with orals you have to take a lot of other oral supplements and you dont want to mix it up with injectables
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moral of the story is that "a few guys in the gym" really don't know what they are talking about.Originally Posted by gula187
orals only lack test, which, without test, will give you side effeccts like ED, loss of libido, etc....
You can take an oral and an injectible, but again, the injectible needs to be test, and any time you take an oral, you need to protect your liver, as orals are harsh on your liver. Milk thistle is one way to protect your liver.
If you ever have any questions, just ask like you just did a few moments ago. Most guys in the gym really are not that well informed.
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yea i had the feeling the didnt. i actually had the impression that orals was better than injections until i started reading
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Are you saying that there's oral test? A little confused here. sorry.
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no im not saying that. i was told you not supposed to mix orals with injections... but it was cleared up
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There is an oral test according to a thread yesterday. Mostly for TRT and cost prohibitive.
Anabolic Member
it is called Androil. Expensive. Hard to find. and you are taking every 4 hours....
...did i mention it is harsh on the liver?
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You mean Andriol Testocaps. Its for trt only. And its not very good even for trt due to low and erratic absorption rates and short half life.
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Dosen't sound like it will be on the market long.
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so are all orals bad on liver?
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it's actually a rather old drug, around for quite a while now. it's safe on the liver, cos it's supposedly oil-based, and absorbed thru the lymphatics, so bypassing the liver. and for people who has needle phobia, it sounds like a miracle, on paper at least. but it never took off, for those reasons i stated earlier.
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Primobolan and Proviron are not toxic to the liver. Most oral steroids, however, carry some level of toxicity due to being C17-alpha alkylated...the previously two mentioned are not C17-aa steroids. As for the ones that are, toxicity varies depending on the steroid.
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correct
and in the real world it is massivly overstated and all I would personally worry about is methyl test/tren providing your doses with others arent outrageous
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I agree about the methyl test. Tren, you really have to have some high doses and long term use to do any damage to your liver.
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yeah and its refreshing to hear this in Q&A from somebody, Im tired of hearing people parrot b.s about toxicity and even suggest milk thistle to combat lmao
Thanks for helping restore some sanity
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Just here to spread the good word of truth...I do what I can, lol!
Junior Member
This thread is a lot more informative than I thought it would be. So to stay on subject..can test be ran all the time or do you have to cycle off?
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Unless you are on trt which you don't want to be you must run your cycle and stop. Being followed by PCT pumpkin.
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When I stop my cycle can I still use some sort of creatine?
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Yes you can still take creatine, members here say you should take 5grams every day
Junior Member
I want to try some creatine nitrate. I read up on it a few times and it sounds like the best out there now
Banned
Dont believe the marketing b.s, go with simple micronised monohydrate, you wont notice any difference in physique and it prob twice the price for the latest super dooper creatine
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^^^^^Agreed 100%!
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I think you might be right. Only benefit of creatine nitrate is that it's faster ain't than mono.
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