FIRST TIME DBOL with test cycle newbie feedback please!

[hyphy_beast]

Sorry this is such an unorganized mess! I just figured out it was the "at" signs that it didn't like me posting :/ Anyway, my diet consists of ~3,500 cal/day ~300g protein. Eggs and oats in the morning plus mass builder shake, chicken breast veggies and yams throughout the day 2-3x, talapia or salmon at night, usually a 3x3 from in n out ( i know, i know it's just real hard to get up to the calories), plus casein at night. Fish oil, multi vitamin, arganine and beta alanine...

My metabolism and genetics made me get to a seemingly insurmountable natural plateau. I am a very hard gainer.

Any and all criticism and feedback is welcomed. Thanks in advance!

week 1-3: test p 100 eod
week 2-10: test e 250/bi weekly frontloaded at 500
week 6-10: dbol 50 ed
week 9-12: hcg 500iu/ bi weekly
week 12-16: clomid

Oh, last but not least:

5'9
175 lbs
~ low 12% bf
26 years

was a professional athlete training for 8 years on and off, back on intense for a year.
THANK YOU!

[itsjayman02]

So this is your first cycle??

[Shadowmaker]

my diet consists of ~3,500 cal/day ~300g protein.

My metabolism and genetics made me get to a seemingly insurmountable natural plateau. I am a very hard gainer.

um... dude... if you remove 300g or protein from the total cals, there is almost nothing left...
i am a hardgainer with awful genetics... 3,5k of cals are ALMOST enough for me to maintain...

i say - stop counting calories... do 300g of protein and 500g of carbs a day - then check in after a few months and then we will talk about being hardgainer.

[hyphy_beast]

So this is your first cycle??

No, I've done two test only cycles previously. One at only 250/week, and one at 500.

[hyphy_beast]

um... dude... if you remove 300g or protein from the total cals, there is almost nothing left...
i am a hardgainer with awful genetics... 3,5k of cals are ALMOST enough for me to maintain...

i say - stop counting calories... do 300g of protein and 500g of carbs a day - then check in after a few months and then we will talk about being hardgainer.

Yes, you are right about the carbs. I have drastically increased them as of recently. And when I said 3,500 that was just being conservative. I try to aim for at least that many, hitting 4 or 4,500 on most days. Although I doubt a full 500 carbs. Thank you.

[hyphy_beast]

Should I be expecting a hard crash since ending the dbol at the same time as the test?? Or do you think with proper hcg and pct I will be ok?

[Capebuffalo]

Yes, you are right about the carbs. I have drastically increased them as of recently. And when I said 3,500 that was just being conservative. I try to aim for at least that many, hitting 4 or 4,500 on most days. Although I doubt a full 500 carbs. Thank you.

Please list your 4,500 cal diet please.

[Shadowmaker]

Should I be expecting a hard crash since ending the dbol at the same time as the test?? Or do you think with proper hcg and pct I will be ok?

it depends i gues... i have never had any crashes, and i always end everything at once and i have never done any pct... i can see some little strenght loss, loss of water i was holding, but thats it - besides weight and minimal strenght gain that i would never really see any difference on or off the cycle.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

You're only 175lbs, your diet will be the key factor here. Like cape mentioned, I would like to see your diet as well .

[Capebuffalo]

it depends i gues... i have never had any crashes, and i always end everything at once and i have never done any pct... i can see some little strenght loss, loss of water i was holding, but thats it - besides weight and minimal strenght gain that i would never really see any difference on or off the cycle.

you have never done a pct. Are you an trt?

[hyphy_beast]

5 full egs, 1 cup oats, 2tbsp peanut butter
Mass builder 600 shake
Can of Tuna
Usually In n out 3X3 or substitution (I know this isn't the most healthy choice but it's a good boost of calories, carbs, protein and it's easy lol)
Chicken breast, mixed veggies or broccoli and a half a yam 2 hours before, and immediately after working out
Mass Builder 600 post work out
A fish filet (talapia or salmon) and brown rice in evening
Casein protein before bed

I try to stays consistent with this as possible. I don't do the in n out every day, more like 3X a week. Other days I will substitute Chipotle chicken bowls, or just another serving of chicken breast and veggies... I know it's not perfect but remember I work 50+ hours a week so I do what I can.

Thank you all for your feedback!

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

5 full egs, 1 cup oats, 2tbsp peanut butter
Mass builder 600 shake
Can of Tuna
Usually In n out 3X3 or substitution (I know this isn't the most healthy choice but it's a good boost of calories, carbs, protein and it's easy lol)
Chicken breast, mixed veggies or broccoli and a half a yam 2 hours before, and immediately after working out
Mass Builder 600 post work out
A fish filet (talapia or salmon) and brown rice in evening
Casein protein before bed

I try to stays consistent with this as possible. I don't do the in n out every day, more like 3X a week. Other days I will substitute Chipotle chicken bowls, or just another serving of chicken breast and veggies... I know it's not perfect but remember I work 50+ hours a week so I do what I can.

Thank you all for your feedback!

Looks like a bunch of mass builder shakes and an unsure amount of chicken or meat. You only follow this for 3 days out of 7? What do you do on the other 4 days? That could easily be your problem.

Hit up the nutrition and diet section and get some help in there. It'll help you get more organized and more of a general idea on how much you're actually eating!

[maccy]

Doesn't look like enough carbs needs some work imo

[Capebuffalo]

5 full egs, 1 cup oats, 2tbsp peanut butter
Mass builder 600 shake
Can of Tuna
Usually In n out 3X3 or substitution (I know this isn't the most healthy choice but it's a good boost of calories, carbs, protein and it's easy lol)
Chicken breast, mixed veggies or broccoli and a half a yam 2 hours before, and immediately after working out
Mass Builder 600 post work out
A fish filet (talapia or salmon) and brown rice in evening
Casein protein before bed

I try to stays consistent with this as possible. I don't do the in n out every day, more like 3X a week. Other days I will substitute Chipotle chicken bowls, or just another serving of chicken breast and veggies... I know it's not perfect but remember I work 50+ hours a week so I do what I can.

Thank you all for your feedback!

Can you give me the macros on that. No way thats 4500 cal no way

[calstate23]

Sorry this is such an unorganized mess! I just figured out it was the "at" signs that it didn't like me posting :/ Anyway, my diet consists of ~3,500 cal/day ~300g protein. Eggs and oats in the morning plus mass builder shake, chicken breast veggies and yams throughout the day 2-3x, talapia or salmon at night, usually a 3x3 from in n out ( i know, i know it's just real hard to get up to the calories), plus casein at night. Fish oil, multi vitamin, arganine and beta alanine...

My metabolism and genetics made me get to a seemingly insurmountable natural plateau. I am a very hard gainer.

Any and all criticism and feedback is welcomed. Thanks in advance!

week 1-3: test p 100 eod
week 2-10: test e 250/bi weekly frontloaded at 500
week 6-10: dbol 50 ed
week 9-12: hcg 500iu/ bi weekly
week 12-16: clomid

Oh, last but not least:

5'9
175 lbs
~ low 12% bf
26 years

was a professional athlete training for 8 years on and off, back on intense for a year.
THANK YOU!

That cycle is all over the place and pretty horrible...All around, even PCT. Diet looks bad as well

[songdog]

Bro before you do anymore cycles you really need to hit the diet section.As you can see wat you are doing now isnt working.And get off the fast food no excuse.

[denverpride]

it depends i gues... i have never had any crashes, and i always end everything at once and i have never done any pct... i can see some little strenght loss, loss of water i was holding, but thats it - besides weight and minimal strenght gain that i would never really see any difference on or off the cycle.

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that you probably should not be giving advice. Since you have never done PCT and your life on and off cycle is relatively the same I would say you don't know what you are doing.

[MuscleInk]

Can you give me the macros on that. No way thats 4500 cal no way

Lol.....why do so many guys think protein shakes = real food. Mass builders in particular are FAT builders - loaded with sugars to spike your insulin and promote fat storage (i.e. so called "mass").

You can't eat this way and expect to succeed. You need to eat REAL food (and I wouldn't put in and out in there as real food).

If you want the body of Phil Heaths, Ronnie Colman, Dorian Yates, etc. you have to EAT like a pro. Those guys didn't become successful because of steroids, rather, steroids helped them become successful BECAUSE they knew (1) how to eat and (2) how to train.

CapeBuffalo has competed in numerous body building competitions and placed. I've seen his pics and trophies. If you want to learn from someone who has succeeded at body building, listen to HIM. He KNOWS what it takes to build the body you're looking for.

Don't short change your diet. It is THE cornerstone of success and gear will only help you once you are committed to eating correctly.

[hyphy_beast]

Thank you guys for the feedback. I am gonna go research in the diet section with my tail somewhat between my legs