First cycle advice

[TobyS]

Hey guys new to this forum just looking for a bit of advice on doing my first cycle. Currently sitting on 30mls of test enanthate and 20mls nandrolone deca and I was just wondering what the recommended dosage would be for a 12 week cycle. If you want some personal information/pictures let me know and I would be more than happy to post it up. I appreciate any advice you can give me, thankyou.

[Razor]

Hey guys new to this forum just looking for a bit of advice on doing my first cycle. Currently sitting on 30mls of test enanthate and 20mls nandrolone deca and I was just wondering what the recommended dosage would be for a 12 week cycle. If you want some personal information/pictures let me know and I would be more than happy to post it up. I appreciate any advice you can give me, thankyou.

Your amounts are incorect. 20ml is a amount of what?

[TobyS]

10ml vials, 200mg/ml strength

[BlueWaffle21]

First Cycle Protocol

Test E or C for 12 weeks at 500mg per week. The 500mg is split between 2 shots that are 3.5 days apart, so Monday morning and Thursday evening for example.

Please see this thread by jimmyinkedup for further explanation: http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...59&postcount=5

You want to run and AI from day 1 of your cycle to control estrogen levels. You can use Arimidex or Aromasin to do so.

Please see this thread by Swifto for more info:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n-cycle-Swifto

Proper PCT is needed to return your natural testosterone levels back to normal. This will involve the use of Clomid, which is up for debate with Atomini, and Nolvadex. Clomid is dosed at 100/50/50/50 per week and Nolvadex is dosed at 40/20/20/20 per week.

For more information regarding PCT start times:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94822

For more information regarding proper PCT:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...y-Steroid.com-)

HCG can be incorporated into your cycle and how to do so is debatable also. Most vets recommend 250 IU every 3.5 days starting in the second week up until the start of your PCT.

For more info please read:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ighlight=nolva

Now that you have done some research, come up with a cycle and the forum will be happy to critique it for you and provide any adjustments needed.

[Capebuffalo]

For a gator that's pretty through

[BlueWaffle21]

At UF we spell it thorough!!

[austinite]

At UF we spell it thorough!!

At UT we're grammatically correct!

[BlueWaffle21]

At UT we're grammatically correct!

That's awesome!

[Capebuffalo]

At UF we spell it thorough!!

Damn iPhone. October I will just need a letter. W

[BlueWaffle21]

21 dude

You're too young man!!!

Start here if you’re under 24:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...**-(GOOD-READ)

Damn iPhone. October I will just need a letter. W

We shall see my friend....we shall see!

[Capebuffalo]

You're too young man!!!


Start here if you’re under 24:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...**-(GOOD-READ)




We shall see my friend....we shall see!

I can't wait till September.

[TobyS]

500mg a week sounds about right and I plan on taking nolvadex 2 weeks after last injection of test e but where does deca fit into all of this? I've had mixed opinions on this, some even telling me to just stick to test e as a first cycle. Opinions?

[BlueWaffle21]

500mg a week sounds about right and I plan on taking nolvadex 2 weeks after last injection of test e but where does deca fit into all of this? I've had mixed opinions on this, some even telling me to just stick to test e as a first cycle. Opinions?

Apparently you read nothing I posted....

[austinite]

Apparently you read nothing I posted....

lmao. That is correct. Didn't read anything.

[TobyS]

Sorry I'm gonna be honest and say I haven't done alot of research, I'm relying on advice from friends who have previously done cycles however none specifically suiting mine, hence why I made this post. Your saying it's good to do a test only as first cycle with an AI and PCT?

[austinite]

Sorry I'm gonna be honest and say I haven't done alot of research, I'm relying on advice from friends who have previously done cycles however none specifically suiting mine, hence why I made this post. Your saying it's good to do a test only as first cycle with an AI and PCT?

Toby, how old are you?

[TobyS]

21 dude

[Razor]

21 dude

why are you taking steroids at 21?

[BlueWaffle21]

Sorry I'm gonna be honest and say I haven't done alot of research, I'm relying on advice from friends who have previously done cycles however none specifically suiting mine, hence why I made this post. Your saying it's good to do a test only as first cycle with an AI and PCT?

If the effort you're putting in to learning about your cycle is a predictor of the effort you're going to put into the actual cycle, you probably shouldn't do one. The information I posted will tell you everything you need to know if you can find the 30-45 minutes to read through it. It will be worth it to understand what is going on and why. Then you can hit us up with a detailed question that shows us you have done some research and you're ready to enter this world.

[TobyS]

If the effort you're putting in to learning about your cycle is a predictor of the effort you're going to put into the actual cycle, you probably shouldn't do one. The information I posted will tell you everything you need to know if you can find the 30-45 minutes to read through it. It will be worth it to understand what is going on and why. Then you can hit us up with a detailed question that shows us you have done some research and you're ready to enter this world.

Alright man I appreciate the reply. I've been training for about 2 years now so I hope you don't mistake my lack of understanding of cycles with my lack of proper routine/diet etc I just never really considered doing one up until about a month ago. I'll read through everything you posted and hopefully come back with a proper understanding. Thanks again

[TobyS]

From browsing other threads I'm starting to have second thoughts. Motivation to start a cycle has been fueled by the fact I haven't moved up on bench in about 2 months I guess, didn't really consider the long term consequences of steroids. I've put on a solid 5kgs in the past year and I'm sitting on about 5% body fat so I guess I should just be happy with what I've achieved and learn to be more patient.

[JWP806]

From browsing other threads I'm starting to have second thoughts. Motivation to start a cycle has been fueled by the fact I haven't moved up on bench in about 2 months I guess, didn't really consider the long term consequences of steroids. I've put on a solid 5kgs in the past year and I'm sitting on about 5% body fat so I guess I should just be happy with what I've achieved and learn to be more patient.

5% body fat? Post a picture.

[TobyS]

5% body fat? Post a picture.

How would I do that off my iPhone?

[JWP806]

How would I do that of my iPhone?

Not sure

[TobyS]

[TobyS]

Not sure

^ not the best lighting but these were taken last night

[Razor]

Look good bro but stay off the gear till your older. why ruin a good thing?

[TobyS]

Look good bro but stay off the gear till your older. why ruin a good thing?

fair enough mate, i'm extremely impatient and have been stuck at 40kg flat dumbell chest press for at least 2 months now its just frustration I guess. This is my chest routine if you could provide me with any tips that would be great: monday- flat dumbell 40kg: 4 sets, 8 reps. incline dumbell 35kg: 3 sets, 10 reps. incline cable fly 57kg: 3 sets, 10 reps. decline dumbell fly 20kg: 3 sets, 10 reps. If ive still got the motivation ill do 4 sets of incline smith superset with pushups but i dont wanna overwork my chest. Generally ill do another chest on thursday much the same except ill do barbell instead of dumbell. Noticed a bit of shape forming within the last couple of months but at an extremely low rate, am i doing anything wrong?

[Razor]

fair enough mate, i'm extremely impatient and have been stuck at 40kg flat dumbell chest press for at least 2 months now its just frustration I guess. This is my chest routine if you could provide me with any tips that would be great: monday- flat dumbell 40kg: 4 sets, 8 reps. incline dumbell 35kg: 3 sets, 10 reps. incline cable fly 57kg: 3 sets, 10 reps. decline dumbell fly 20kg: 3 sets, 10 reps. If ive still got the motivation ill do 4 sets of incline smith superset with pushups but i dont wanna overwork my chest. Generally ill do another chest on thursday much the same except ill do barbell instead of dumbell. Noticed a bit of shape forming within the last couple of months but at an extremely low rate, am i doing anything wrong?

Your 21 and not naturally huge, I get that, I was in the same boat and still am..your like 5'10'' right? Its hard to get big at young age for a number of reasons..first, you have not been working out that long. real muscle takes years to develop. you cant just stick a steroid in it and just make it last forever. I built a 15 year base, I've been working out for 15 years. Granted I did not get that big, but it was all real. When I hit the gear I gained 40lbs and have not lost a single lbs of muscle even being off for a long time.

Just so you know im not blowing smoke up your ass here is my before and afters..before gear, after gear, but i worked out 15 solid years without it
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...5#.UCxQdDGe6WU

[TobyS]

Your 21 and not naturally huge, I get that, I was in the same boat and still am..your like 5'10'' right? Its hard to get big at young age for a number of reasons..first, you have not been working out that long. real muscle takes years to develop. you cant just stick a steroid in it and just make it last forever. I built a 15 year base, I've been working out for 15 years. Granted I did not get that big, but it was all real. When I hit the gear I gained 40lbs and have not lost a single lbs of muscle even being off for a long time.

Just so you know im not blowing smoke up your ass here is my before and afters..before gear, after gear, but i worked out 15 solid years without it

nah dude im only 5'4, 65kgs. Matured a lot later than most people and I guess test e was as much of a muscle gaining opportunity as an opportunity to get that extra boost of testosterone that never really came.

[Razor]

nah dude im only 5'4, 65kgs. Matured a lot later than most people and I guess test e was as much of a muscle gaining opportunity as an opportunity to get that extra boost of testosterone that never really came.

Ok no more steroids ok, cycle off everything, get off the deca today and finish two more weeks with the test hopefully this wil help counteract deca sides such as loss of libido and deca dick... and pct two weeks after that your last injection of test and just focus on keeping your gains that you made, eat, train hard and rest. and go get a full spectrum male hormone lab and post the results here after you pct
www.privatemdlabs.com

[JWP806]

Looking good bro.

[BlueWaffle21]

Hit the nutrition section and let them help you get a great diet in order.

[Readeck11]

Stay away from gear for 5 more year eat right and work hard and you will be ok.

[kelkel]

Razor I never saw those pics before. Awesome transformation! Hard work pays off!

[Atomini]

My friend, you don't need gear, you need to learn how to properly train! WHY are you training chest TWICE PER WEEK? No muscle should be trained twice per week, at all (ESPECIALLY with the rediculous amount of volume you're doing for it). This is one of the many reasons why we reccomend training naturally for as long as you possibly can before jumping on gear. A solid foundation of natural muscle prior to cycling means that you have the knowledge of nutrition and training, and that you know your body well enough that you can make solid gains that you will not lose after you come off of your cycles.

How would you like to train on gear, get your chest all developed up to the level you wish, and then end up losing it all after the cycle because you have a habit of grossly overtraining it? And then you realized you wasted your money on your cycle? And the time you spent on it? And then you realize that what you achieved from this cycle, you could have achieved naturally?

And I won't even get into the issues here of cycling young and the potential long term effects that come with it - you'll find plenty of that on the rest of the forum.

[Razor]

My friend, you don't need gear, you need to learn how to properly train! WHY are you training chest TWICE PER WEEK? No muscle should be trained twice per week, at all (ESPECIALLY with the rediculous amount of volume you're doing for it). This is one of the many reasons why we reccomend training naturally for as long as you possibly can before jumping on gear. A solid foundation of natural muscle prior to cycling means that you have the knowledge of nutrition and training, and that you know your body well enough that you can make solid gains that you will not lose after you come off of your cycles.


How would you like to train on gear, get your chest all developed up to the level you wish, and then end up losing it all after the cycle because you have a habit of grossly overtraining it? And then you realized you wasted your money on your cycle? And the time you spent on it? And then you realize that what you achieved from this cycle, you could have achieved naturally?

And I won't even get into the issues here of cycling young and the potential long term effects that come with it - you'll find plenty of that on the rest of the forum.

Damn maybe i need to stop training my legs twice a week

[BlueWaffle21]

Damn maybe i need to stop training my legs twice a week

According to a kid at my gym you have to train them everyday, so you're actually missing out!

[Razor]

According to a kid at my gym you have to train them everyday, so you're actually missing out!

Thats why they are not bigger....fml lol atomi you seen my legs, train more or less? My legs are the one part I like to brag about, they are big strong and hard as a rock. Even a hard leg day like hard hard 800lbs leg press with squats and more and the next day barely sore.

[BlueWaffle21]

Thats why they are not bigger....fml lol atomi you seen my legs, train more or less? My legs are the one part I like to brag about, they are big strong and hard as a rock. Even a hard leg day like hard hard 800lbs leg press with squats and more and the next day barely sore.

I'm not serious man I laughed the kid off! I grew up always training legs once a week and I've never heard otherwise. Works for me, give it a try and see what happens. Leave it to Atomini to always be on point with the detailed information, great stuff!