question for RAZOR

[greenwell001]

i have been trying to find an answer to my pct compounds, torem and ralox. I saw a guy on another thread that got prescribed toremifene by his doc and she said to dose it like this
120mg 3 days, 90mg 2wks, 60mg 2 wks, 30 mg 2 wks. Sound right?

My other question is on the ralox. Do i dose it like chlomid?

Anyone feel free to chime in. Thanks

[Razor]

Raloxifene (Evista) is a relatively new selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM) also referred by many as Anti Estrogen.
Evista works by binding to the estrogen receptors in the body, preventing estrogen from binding to these sites, it works much like Clomid™ and Nolvadex™ do, but in women has the advantage that of being an anti-estrogen also in the uterus, whereas clomiphene and tamoxifen are being estrogens and in these tissues.
It has been known to be used by man lately as an anti-estrogen much like Nolvadex, though Evista has gained popularity recently in men over Nolvadex as being of less side effects and more potent.

Nolvadex is the most well known and widely used Anti Estrogen.
Nolvadex works by binding to the estrogen receptors in the body, preventing estrogen from binding to these sites. Hence, why Nolvadex is referred to also as an "estrogen blocker" or by it's more medical term: SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator).

In women Nolvadex is used as a breast cancer medication, blocking estrogen is vital to stop cancer spread.
In men Nolvadex is used to mainly prevent gynecomastia (formation of female like breast tissue in men).

Nolvadex is also used to promote the secretion of LH (Luteinizing hormone). LH is a very important hormone for both women and men.
In females, LH stimulates the saturation and release of ova (eggs) as known as ovulation.
In men, LH is responsible for the production of testosterone (the male hormone) by the Leydig cells of the testes in males. Athletes and bodybuilders who use anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing drugs, frequently use Nolvadex in order to block estrogen that result as a side effect from using drugs.

Since Nolvadex also acts as LH stimulator, much like clomid does. It
encourages natural testosterone production in men. Many men prefer Nolvadex over Clomid
for that purpose, in fear that Clomid causes many side effects while Nolvadex doesn't.
This is not quite documented in medical literature, since most trials used Nolvadex for
treating breast cancer in women rather than encouraging LH and testosterone production in men.

Fareston (Torem) is a novel SERM - Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (anti estrogen) that is supposedly more powerful than Nolvadex and may have less side effects than other anti estrogens. It also lowers bad cholesterol (LDL) and increase good cholesterol (HDL).

Primarily used to treat breast cancer in post-menopausal women, it has a great a potential to be used in men as well for various medical conditions.
Since Fareston (Toremifene) has been in market but much less time than Nolvadex it has fewer medical studies. However due to similarities in action with other SERMs like Nolvadex though being more potent it has probably even greater potential to treat the same conditions doctors use Nolvadex to treat.

"undisclosed source"

Dosages
Ralaxofine (Evista) would be 60mg It also helps with osteoporosis in women and treating breast cancer, like bonapart said, its really not a pct .

Nolvadex is 40/40/20/20


Torem for PCT would be 60/60/30/30
Numbers represent dosages/mg of treatment per day for one week each. So I would run both nolva/torem

[Bonaparte]

Raloxifene is nearly useless for PCT, as it hardly does anything besides occupy ERs in breast tissue (which is it's best use: fighting/preventing gyno).
Clomid and Ralox are as opposite in function as SERMs get.

[Imperious]

Razor how long you been training? I saw your threads. No one here has made the lean gains you have..its amazong. Keep it up ok

[greenwell001]

Raloxifene (Evista) is a relatively new selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM) also referred by many as Anti Estrogen.
Evista works by binding to the estrogen receptors in the body, preventing estrogen from binding to these sites, it works much like Clomid™ and Nolvadex™ do, but in women has the advantage that of being an anti-estrogen also in the uterus, whereas clomiphene and tamoxifen are being estrogens and in these tissues.
It has been known to be used by man lately as an anti-estrogen much like Nolvadex, though Evista has gained popularity recently in men over Nolvadex as being of less side effects and more potent.


Fareston (Torem) is a novel SERM - Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (anti estrogen) that is supposedly more powerful than Nolvadex and may have less side effects than other anti estrogens. It also lowers bad cholesterol (LDL) and increase good cholesterol (HDL).

Primarily used to treat breast cancer in post-menopausal women, it has a great a potential to be used in men as well for various medical conditions.
Since Fareston (Toremifene) has been in market but much less time than Nolvadex it has fewer medical studies. However due to similarities in action with other SERMs like Nolvadex though being more potent it has probably even greater potential to treat the same conditions doctors use Nolvadex to treat.

"undisclosed source"



Dosages
Ralaxofine would be 60/60/30/30
Torem would be 60/60/30/30
Numbers represent dosages/mg of treatment per day for one week each.

Thanks for the info dog.

[greenwell001]

Raloxifene is nearly useless for PCT, as it hardly does anything besides occupy ERs in breast tissue (which is it's best use: fighting/preventing gyno).
Clomid and Ralox are as opposite in function as SERMs get.

So you are saying that Raloxifene would be better used as an AI?

[Razor]

Yes its better for a AI than and Serm but I would not use it for either. I would not take it though, just stick to Torm and Nolvadex, Or Clomid and Nolvadex
Aromasin is a way better AI and Torem/nolvadex is a way better PCT treatment

[Razor]

Razor how long you been training? I saw your threads. No one here has made the lean gains you have..its amazong. Keep it up ok

just look at my thread, all my pictures and progress has been dated and posted, but thank you. Let me know if you need anything.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...5#.UC01QjGe6WU

[Imperious]

Ok thanks

[Razor]

What are you starting stats, gains and goals?

[Swifto]

Torem for PCT would be 60/60/30/30
Numbers represent dosages/mg of treatment per day for one week each.

No, Tore needs to be dosed higher than that if you actually read the data on it.

After two months, 60mg/day of Toremifene increased LH from 4.05 to 5.05 (+25%) and Test from 496.59 to 709.79 (+42%), as shown here.

I suggest running 120mg/ED for the first 14 days, then 60mg/ED for 4 weeks.

Your post is misleading stating Rolax could be run for PCT, then Tore dosing is wrong.

[Bonaparte]

So you are saying that Raloxifene would be better used as an AI?

Well, it isn't an AI, so it couldn't be used as one.
But it could be used for gyno prevention or to fight a gyno flare-up.

[syd-bloke]

Next time maybe inbox this guy if you need answer from him!

[greenwell001]

Lots of good info....I'm running the stane for an AI. I've got the torem for pct, kinda wanted to stay away from the chlomid because of the visual sides. Does ar-r carry a nolva equivelent?

[gixxerboy1]

Lots of good info....I'm running the stane for an AI. I've got the torem for pct, kinda wanted to stay away from the chlomid because of the visual sides. Does ar-r carry a nolva equivelent?

yes its tamox.
And listen to Bonaparte and swifto the both know alot more then Razor

[greenwell001]

yes its tamox.
And listen to Bonaparte and swifto the both know alot more then Razor

thankyou

[greenwell001]

Well, it isn't an AI, so it couldn't be used as one.
But it could be used for gyno prevention or to fight a gyno flare-up.

I appreciate the info, I haven't got a clear answer as to what the raloxifene actual purpose is in regards to gear. Is what u stated above all its good for, flare ups and that's really it?

[Razor]

No, Tore needs to be dosed higher than that if you actually read the data on it.

After two months, 60mg/day of Toremifene increased LH from 4.05 to 5.05 (+25%) and Test from 496.59 to 709.79 (+42%), as shown here.

I suggest running 120mg/ED for the first 14 days, then 60mg/ED for 4 weeks.

Your post is misleading stating Rolax could be run for PCT, then Tore dosing is wrong.

If you run torem and nolvadex at
torem 60/60/30/30 and nolva 40/40/20/20 its enough, ive done it twice.

[DanB]

If you run torem and nolvadex at
torem 60/60/30/30 and nolva 40/40/20/20 its enough, ive done it twice.

how you know its enough without bloodwork?

I cycled without a pct before and my dick still works, dosnt mean that I recovered as well as I could of though, exact same with you using a lower dose, unless you have pre and post cycle bw then you dont know and its guesswork

[Razor]

Atomi says that Nolva at 40/40/20/20 is enough even, but I think two is better than one so adding the Torem helps for good measure and piece of mind for me, I dont like running just one compound.

Two cycles ago when I ran torem and nolva for pct, pre cycle was test was 545ng, post cycle my test was at 520n 4 weeks ater pct.
Now a year later its at 574ng after all the bloodwork i had done this month. I think it went well

[DanB]

Do you have the printouts for said bloodwork or full results?

[Razor]

Not for the ones a year ago, but I posted the results in my gyno thread of the latest test results last month, i think you saw them. Everything was normal and test
here is normal ranges for men of my age, mine was 574ng a little lower than normal but doctors said it was good, and I felt fine cept the gyno, I think it would have been higher but I had already been on high doses of 38mg ED of Stane for weeks and then 2.5mg ED of letro after than, but estrodial sensitive was less than 20
http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/...ls-in-men.html

[DanB]

So you dont have the relevant info to back up your claim, hmmmmm

[Razor]

Haha I didnt know everyone kept all there lab results and had to post them everytime they had them done.

[DanB]

Haha I didnt know everyone kept all there lab results and had to post them everytime they had them done.

Yes people generally keep labs for later reference and when you disagree with something you back up your claim, I can post anything about x or y but if I cant back it up then it has very little credability

[Razor]

Well I will try and keep all my records from now on, Ive rarely if at all seen people post up copies of there lab results for the public to view. And like I said I posted my lab results in the gyno thread I made detailing report of the labs, progesterone, prolactin and estrodial sensitive for everyone to see.

[DanB]

Well I will try and keep all my records from now on, Ive rarely if at all seen people post up copies of there lab results for the public to view. And like I said I posted my lab results in the gyno thread I made detailing report of the labs, progesterone, prolactin and estrodial sensitive for everyone to see.

But none of that is relevant to your claims in this thread so I dont know why you keep saying it and people post their full bw results several times a week between here and trt section

[Razor]

I never go into the TRT section cause Im not in TRT so thats why I never been there. Talk to atomi, he knows more about the nolvadex and how you can get by with just that alone. I just choose to use the Torem for extra caution cause I hate clomid.

[DanB]

You try change the subject with every post im done with this I made my point

[Bonaparte]

If you run torem and nolvadex at
torem 60/60/30/30 and nolva 40/40/20/20 its enough, ive done it twice.

That's like saying that shooting someone with a .22 cal will kill them, since you once shot a man with a shotgun, then a .22 cal for good measure, and he died.

[greenwell001]

This isn't a pissing contest....I really just wanted some credible info. Who started this damn thread anyway? Lol

[Bonaparte]

This isn't a pissing contest....I really just wanted some credible info. Who started this damn thread anyway? Lol

Did you not already get the info you're looking for?

[greenwell001]

Did you not already get the info you're looking for?

I thought that I did, but you rebuked it without giving any further advice on the pct dosages. Maybe I need to re read this thread.

[Bonaparte]

Swifto answered it in post #11. All you need is a good dose of Torem. Ralox is useless for PCT.

[greenwell001]

Got it, so don't worry about getting any nolva.

[gixxerboy1]

Wow, so your really going to start calling out everyone to defend Razor? Who you say you dont know. Seems a little suspicious. And Dan is very knowledgeable. So for most people Dans word is good enough and he can and has posted studies to back up what he says. Razor is not known for being knowledgable so when he wants to make claims going against some of the smartest guys on the board he needs to be able to back it up

[DanB]

Wow if they were not hard enough on the guy in the lounge over high school drama, they bring it here. I've been running cycles since I was 38. This guy DanB is what in his 20's and now he has all the answers from a board that does not condone the use of kids using in there early 20's yet he's the resident expert who appears to have a drinking problem talk about hypocrisy.

I was just talking to Gixxerboy1 about this very problem. Who is running the show here and how is this anymore productive than the last thrashing thread. I've read all these threads a few hours a night for the past month and have not seen one guy have to post his labs from previous cycles to back up anything.

DanB were is our bloodwork that your asking Razor to post? I wanna see that to make sure your credible as well as well as all your previous cycle history with blood work mind you that you should not have been running in the first place cause your to young. And people agree with this guy.

Who runs this place, it's a zoo full of overgrown egos.

Who the fvck are you by the way? I never said I had any relevant bw so where do you get this from?

If you post something you need to back it up otherwise anybody can just make up some numbers to back up an arguement and it does happen regularly here

And no sorry to disappoint you, no drinking problem I just have a life you really should try it some time instead of going gung ho sticking up for somebody when you have no idea what any of the issues are

So in future keep your mouth shut about me and arguements you know nothing about

Thanks

EDIT

I never stated everybody needs to post labs for their pct, I stated razr needed to post his to back up his claim, same way anybody needs to post relevant info when you disagree with something, Im dyslexic yet I can read and understand a post you must have serious learning difficulties since you cant seem to understand a simple post, either that or your trying to twist it to stick up for somebody in an arguement you know nothing about

Or mabey both

hmmmmmm

[spywizard]

i have been trying to find an answer to my pct compounds, torem and ralox. I saw a guy on another thread that got prescribed toremifene by his doc and she said to dose it like this
120mg 3 days, 90mg 2wks, 60mg 2 wks, 30 mg 2 wks. Sound right?

My other question is on the ralox. Do i dose it like chlomid?

Anyone feel free to chime in. Thanks

Well 1st off you need to................ oh wait you wanted razor's opinion, never mind..

is the pm function not working??

[FONZY007]

Well I will try and keep all my records from now on, Ive rarely if at all seen people post up copies of there lab results for the public to view. And like I said I posted my lab results in the gyno thread I made detailing report of the labs, progesterone, prolactin and estrodial sensitive for everyone to see.

You can ask the doctor for a copy of the bloodwork from a year ago

[greenwell001]

Well 1st off you need to................ oh wait you wanted razor's opinion, never mind..

is the pm function not working??

I was asking Razor the question because he had experience with these two compounds. I might not know as much as some off the guys around here, but hey at least I'm not acting like a tool.^^^^ That sounds like something my 4 yr old would say. Come on man.