12 week prop/NPP/tren/anadrol/winstrol cycle !!!!!!

**hobnob** · 08-17-2012, 10:29 AM

cycle plan
week 1-4 anadrol 50-100mg ed
week 1-4 propionate 200mg eod
week 1-4 NPP 200mg eod
week 4-8 propionate 75mg eod (bridge)
week 8-12 oral winstrol 50-100mg ed
week 8-12 propionate 200mg eod
week 8-12 tren -a 100mg eod
arimidex .25mg ed throughout
what you guys think ???
goal lean bulk but do a little cut towards the end and big increase on strength gains

**songdog** · 08-17-2012, 10:38 AM

I think its a dumb idea.another bad cycle.

**Readeck11** · 08-17-2012, 10:47 AM

To many components no a good cycle.

**jasc** · 08-17-2012, 10:50 AM

Why make it soo complicated?

What is your cycle history?

**fit2bOld** · 08-17-2012, 11:25 AM

Way to many compounds, especially at 24 we shouldn't even be talking about it, if you are ready and have the proper experience we would be talking about a test only or test plus one cycle.

**Flacco** · 08-17-2012, 10:12 PM

unnecessary. If you want a "lean bulk," that'll depend on your diet way more than any amount of AAS.

**austinite** · 08-17-2012, 10:13 PM

Easy there, Tiger. You competing?

**stpete** · 08-17-2012, 10:59 PM

Not at 24. And no mention of HCG or PCT?

**btern** · 08-17-2012, 11:18 PM

thats a damn big list of compounds holy shit!!! youd be a walking chemical lab bro. bad cycle

**Metalject** · 08-18-2012, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by hobnob

cycle plan
week 1-4 anadrol 50-100mg ed
week 1-4 propionate 200mg eod
week 1-4 NPP 200mg eod
week 4-8 propionate 75mg eod (bridge)
week 8-12 oral winstrol 50-100mg ed
week 8-12 propionate 200mg eod
week 8-12 tren -a 100mg eod
arimidex .25mg ed throughout
what you guys think ???
goal lean bulk but do a little cut towards the end and big increase on strength gains

A better plan IMO would be as follows:

WK 1-4: Anadrol 50mg/ed
WK 1-8: NPP 200mg/eod
WK 1-8: Test-p 200mg/eod
WK 5-12: Tren-a 100mg/eod
WK 7-12: Winstrol 50mg/ed
WK 9-12: Test-p 100mg/eod

Arimidex at 0.5mg/eod should get the job done. If you need to bump it up to 1mg/ed you'll know as you go through the cycle.

**Razor** · 08-18-2012, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by hobnob

cycle plan
week 1-4 anadrol 50-100mg ed
week 1-4 propionate 200mg eod
week 1-4 NPP 200mg eod
week 4-8 propionate 75mg eod (bridge)
week 8-12 oral winstrol 50-100mg ed
week 8-12 propionate 200mg eod
week 8-12 tren -a 100mg eod
arimidex .25mg ed throughout
what you guys think ???
goal lean bulk but do a little cut towards the end and big increase on strength gains

This sounds like a death sentence, no pct, running some of the harshest compounds in existence. Please reconsider this and think seriously about doing some more research.

**Metalject** · 08-18-2012, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by Razor

This sounds like a death sentence, no pct, running some of the harshest compounds in existence. Please reconsider this and think seriously about doing some more research.

I never told the guy not to include PCT. All I did was take the cycle he posted and made it more efficient. Nothing less, nothing more.

I would also by no means call this cycle a death sentence. It is a big cycle, far from what I'd consider a beginner's cycle but I would by no means call it extreme. You can get a lot more extreme than this...a lot more!

**Razor** · 08-18-2012, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

I never told the guy not to include PCT. All I did was take the cycle he posted and made it more efficient. Nothing less, nothing more.

I would also by no means call this cycle a death sentence. It is a big cycle, far from what I'd consider a beginner's cycle but I would by no means call it extreme. You can get a lot more extreme than this...a lot more!

He's 24, the poor guy could really screw himself up for life with a cycle like that at that age, and yes it's very extreme. The same goals could be accomplished with a lot less and cleaner safer drugs with the proper diet and exercise, pct. but the real issue is he is 24 .

**Metalject** · 08-18-2012, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by Razor

He's 24, the poor guy could really screw himself up for life with a cycle like that at that age, and yes it's very extreme. The same goals could be accomplished with a lot less and cleaner safer drugs with the proper diet and exercise, pct. but the real issue is he is 24 .

I agree, that cycle is more than a 24yr old guy would need. No argument from me on that. Like I said, I simply answered the question. For the record, he never stated his age in his OP. Still, I'm of the opinion that it's better to answer questions directly. This is the best way to learn how to build cycles and combine compounds. And that is a separate issue from if a guy should or should not run the cycle.

As for the extreme nature of the cycle, I'm excluding someone's age, I'm just talking about the cycle in general. All of these compounds can be used together safely. I think people often overstate fear. I'm not saying you wouldn't take precautions, but this is nowhere near a cycle that would be considered anywhere near a hardcore level IMO. Granted, I'm not a big fan of Anadrol except in specific cases such as the end of contest prep. I think it can potentially be far more problematic in totality than any of the compounds listed in that cycle. But it can be used with relatively little to no insult. Of course, I know you're more than likely referring to Tren more so than the other compounds. I agree, it can be a harsh compound, but the fear of this steroid often stated on message boards is IMO overrated.

BTW, my comments are not made with a disrespectful tone. I don't know anything about you as I'm sure you don't know anything about me. Just wanted to clarify that.

**Razor** · 08-18-2012, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

I agree, that cycle is more than a 24yr old guy would need. No argument from me on that. Like I said, I simply answered the question. For the record, he never stated his age in his OP. Still, I'm of the opinion that it's better to answer questions directly. This is the best way to learn how to build cycles and combine compounds. And that is a separate issue from if a guy should or should not run the cycle.

As for the extreme nature of the cycle, I'm excluding someone's age, I'm just talking about the cycle in general. All of these compounds can be used together safely. I think people often overstate fear. I'm not saying you wouldn't take precautions, but this is nowhere near a cycle that would be considered anywhere near a hardcore level IMO. Granted, I'm not a big fan of Anadrol except in specific cases such as the end of contest prep. I think it can potentially be far more problematic in totality than any of the compounds listed in that cycle. But it can be used with relatively little to no insult. Of course, I know you're more than likely referring to Tren more so than the other compounds. I agree, it can be a harsh compound, but the fear of this steroid often stated on message boards is IMO overrated.

BTW, my comments are not made with a disrespectful tone. I don't know anything about you as I'm sure you don't know anything about me. Just wanted to clarify that.