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08-17-2012, 03:04 PM #1New Member
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Information overload!
You guys ever think there might be too much info on here? I've been reading and reading and searching and searching and I don't know if I'm any closer to an informed and healthy decision.
Me- just turned 40. Many, many years in the gym. 5'7" 190ish - 14%
Full disclosure... This will not be my first cycle. A few years ago under the tutelage of the users at work, I did a Deca /Sus cycle. I don't recall the dosages, but it was Sus EOD and maybe 1mg a week Deca? Think it was Sus 450? Wow. I should know that stuff.
Anyway, I should have known better. They all look like shit and after discovering this place far too late, I realized none of them had any clue as to wtf they were doing. None of them had even heard the term "PCT" and as such I had to scramble for Clomid and Nolvadex in about week 9.
Honestly, the only positive I took away from the whole experience was that I felt like an absolute monster on cycle. I felt like a beast. The rest was crap. I blew up like a ballon, which I understand some of you may enjoy, but my gut was distended like crazy and I just felt entirely too "puffy." "Deca dick" hit me hard (no pun intended), yet my libido was through the roof. So much so that it was affecting my decision making and I came very close to infedelity. Even though I probably couldn't have performed if I tried. That was a serious mental struggle that I was entirely unprepared for. The back and shoulder acne started around week 10 and that was total BS. Disgusting. And it stayed well after PCT. It also took me 6 months or so to get back to normal in the bedroom.
Maybe 5lbs and a hearty disdain for sides was 100% not worth all that I went through.
With that out of the way, I want to do it right this time around (if I decide to go through with it). I'm looking for a simple, single compound cycle that would basically be a time machine for me. I want to jump back to what it was like working out in my early 20's. When BF melted of I even looked at a treadmill and lean muscle was free. From my reading this seems to indicate a Test only cycle. Although Anavar seems like it would be perfect if there wasn't so many dissenting opinions about it.
I much prefer Captain America to the Hulk, if you catch my drift. I don't want to be gigantic. I don't need 30lbs. I can't eat enough to supply those kinds of gains anyway. Best I could do is maybe 3,500 calories without feeling like a complete fat ass. Currently I eat healthy, supplement with a good protein and take multis, CLA and fish oil.
I don't mind injections other than EOD really, really got old since I discovered that glutes and delts were the only sites I could endure. I would MUCH prefer maybe once a week or e5d though. I'm also terrified of gyno as I hate my nipples anyway.
Help an old man out. If you guys don't think I should even use, that's cool too. I'll carry my fat ass over to the natural BB forum and continue my work. But I'd appreciate any advice.
So... tl;dr. Appreciate anyone who made it though that diatribe.
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08-17-2012, 03:10 PM #2
Welcome to the forum mate! Your right, there is a ton of stuff avaliable on this site.
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Ok your intro is complete now in a couple of sentences write what are you asking?
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08-17-2012, 03:22 PM #4New Member
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Lol. I guess it was kind of hard to pick out my question. Looking for a good, solid single compound cycle that's designed more for "Men's Helth" models than Mr. Olympia. Something that doesn't require EOD pins and has very little or extremely manageable sides. Particularly gyno because frankly, it scares the shit out of me.
Doing searches for "the perfect steroid " or "best test only cycle" or about 100 other search terms, I just see too many differing opinions to nail something down. Anavar sounds fantastic. Oral, no sides with the only downside being monetary (which doesn't bother me). Winstrol sounds good other than the joint pain and tendon weakening. I already have shoulder pain and tore an Achilles a couple years ago.
And there are seemingly soooo many test compounds to choose from. I just can't decipher all the info by myself because I don't know if you guys realize this, but you all sound like PhD's to me. And I don't consider myself unintelligent by any means.
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08-17-2012, 03:36 PM #5
Easy answer a solid first cycle is test only, most likely cyp or E. 500 mg pinned 2x a week. 12 weeks is plenty long enough. Be sure to have an AI on hand and PCT 2 weeks after your last injection. Simple and clean.
Most important is that your ready to cycle, is your diet in check, is your body fat low, have you the gym experience to warrant a cycle?
Lately have had guys having vacations mid cycle and questioning what to do so you really want everything set to get the most from your efforts.
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08-17-2012, 03:49 PM #6
Welcome to the board mate!
1) No need to be on steroids to be here. JJust so you know...
2) Here's what I would do / what I did. I went to my doc and had a complete blood panel and surprise! Low testosterone . After much cajoling, prescribed testosterone . Outlook in life, and at the gym, began to improve. When you get your blood panels, ask for free/total test, and estradiol, and thyroid panel, plus all the other items. This will be your baseline, something to compare to, if / when you begin on testosterone.
Let me know if you need to know anything else
Cheers!
---Roman
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08-17-2012, 03:55 PM #7Banned
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Welcome to the board. And life over 40(i'm 43). everything gets a little harder here. At least it has for me and shredding those lbs like in our twenties is almost laughable to me. But i'm pretty dedicated on eating the right foods when i need to.
As for your cycle, i was going to suggest test prop but it seems you don't care for injections too much. That being said, i agree w/fit2bOld. And it's only cause in the past i seem to bloat a bit more on e than prop. But an AI will help w/that and most certainly a clean diet.
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08-17-2012, 04:24 PM #8New Member
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Ok, cyp and test e sound like the leading candidates here. Are sides more or less likely with one or the other? 500mg split into two injections say... Monday and Thursdays? Or just every 4 days or how does that work?
Seems I will need or want an AI to run with it. Arimidex ? I guess I'll have to do some reading on that unless you guys want to spoon feed me the dosage.
Also, was planning Clomid and Nolvadex PCT. Is that sufficient? I will, of course, gather all of this before my first pin.
How low should my BF be to start? It would probably take me another 4 months to get to 12% and I don't even know if I could get it any lower than that since I'm old and hold fat like a woman.
Thanks for all the replies so far.
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