Deca or Tren for bulk cycle

[RoadToHuge]

Im looking for all out size. I have on hand 20ml of deca d 300, 30 ml of test e 250, 25 ml of tren e 250, 70 days worth of anavar at 100mg, 4 weeks of dbol at 50mg, primo, stane, nolva..


Im looking at either tren (light like 250tren and test 250) or deca. I want to run a kickstart with dbol at 50mg for a week or 2 then over to the var to finish up the cycle. Is the dbol workable at all with deca or tren? Also, do i have stop using the nizoral during tren or deca? (possible issue i saw a post on.) I 5'7" 4th cycle 37 yo less than 12% 180-185. Im strong as **** but I would like more bulk. Thanks fr the help!

[Atomini]

I reccomend tren if you want 'all out size'. Obviously, I am biased in my answer... but check out my tren thread that is stickied at the top. I may be biased but I have valid supporting reasons as to why trenbolone is excellent at building mass and strength.

Just a general comparison, Nandrolone's anabolic rating is 125. This makes it 1.25 times stronger than testosterone in regards to its ability to bind to receptors and initiate muscle anabolism. Trenbolone's anabolic rating is 500... that makes it 5 times stronger than testosterone for the same purpose. You make the distinction. Trenbolone is an extremely potent compound, and very versatile as to what you can use it for as well.

[RoadToHuge]

Thanks Atomini

What are your thoughts on the dbol kick then over to the var to finish?

[ScotchGuard02]

I ran two Tren/Test cycle and a couple Deca/Test cycles. Tren's the boss! It's pretty harsh stuff and it shut me down hard. I'm still recovering from the prolactin generated from the Tren cycle. You need to be ready pysically (Prami or Cabo) and emotionally (anorgasmia) just in case you get shut down hard. There is an equal but opposite reaction to all things in the universe doing a hardcore Tren cycle will have it's repercussions. Rock hard lean muscles are on one side and the potential sides on the other. Good luck.

[Atomini]

Thanks Atomini

What are your thoughts on the dbol kick then over to the var to finish?

Overly complex unnecessary wastes of money.

If you do decide to use trenbolone, it is so powerful that it will dwarf anything else you use. Read my trenbolone thread for everything you need to know about tren and how to use it effectively. I believe all other anabolic steroids are totally and completely useless wastes of money in the face of trenbolone (with the exception of testosterone, of course). You don't need fancy schmancy cycles where you kickstart with this, throw something in the middle with that, and finish with something else. It's just totally unnecessary and makes cycling far more complicated than it really should be. All you'll end up doing is creating an environment in your body in which you have all these different things essentially competing for receptor sites. Cycling should be simple: testosterone should always be used, and then pick a primary anabolic (in this case, trenbolone). Run the primary anabolic higher than testosterone for a set number of weeks. Make gains. PCT. Done.

When it comes to cycling, follow this general guideline I like to use: KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid!

[drose979]

So when using tren it's useless to use anything else? Except for test.

[RoadToHuge]

damn, the 70 days of anavar at 100 mg was ****ing expensive, lolol..

[beeninit]

Tren is some powerful stuff. Giant jumps in strength and hardness can be expected but the side effects for me were pretty intense.

[liftology]

Tren is some powerful stuff. Giant jumps in strength and hardness can be expected but the side effects for me were pretty intense.

what sides did you experience? did you counteract them properly?

[NaturalJohnny]

Tren is some powerful stuff. Giant jumps in strength and hardness can be expected but the side effects for me were pretty intense.

What was your dosage? Did you use caber or prami as well?

[Atomini]

So when using tren it's useless to use anything else? Except for test.

Its not necessarily 'useless', but I just find that stacking more than 2 anabolics in a cycle is a waste and just over-complicates things. Most people have no rhyme or reason as to why they they stack this and that together other than because they simply want to use different steroids in one cycle because its some fancy schmancy thing to do. There are very few stacks of more than 2 steroids that I see as being practical and useful.

Though, in the face of something like trenbolone, why would you stack anything besides testosterone with it? The only thing I can see as a practical addition would be Masteron. However, that kind of stack has more purpose for someone preparing to compete in a show - I don't see any practical use for that stack for someone just trying to change their physique/performance. But again, trenbolone is so powerful that you don't need anything else with it. I remember stacking Turinabol with it once (I did a cycle of test/turinabol/tren) and I felt the turinabol was a waste. I felt as though the results I got on that cycle could have been EASILY had without the use of turinabol. Trenbolone IS KING.

[Tigershark]

I would go with tren over deca. I fell in love with tren when using it. On deca I got the deca dick which was horrible. Tren shut me down too but at least I felt like I could recover from it.

[songdog]

I would also go with the Tren its just that good.

[Atomini]

Although I have never used Nandrolone, from what I have seen through observation of people who have used it, as well as the literature I have read concerning it, it seems like it produces some decent (but by no means extraordinary in comparison to Trenbolone) gains in relation to its low androgenicity. In comparison to Nandrolone, I would say that Trenbolone is like the much more rowdy, wild, outgoing, and aggressive (in all aspects) brother of Nandrolone. Nandrolone is a lot milder on the androgenic effects (androgenic rating being 37) at the expense of a far less anabolic effect (anabolic rating being 125). When you look at Trenbolone, its androgenic rating is 500, and as I have already mentioned its anabolic rating is also 500. This makes trenbolone a beast compared to its much more reserved and what I would call 'shy' brother. And if you don't mind the heavy androgenic effects from trenbolone, you won't regret using it for its immense power!

Side-note: you'll notice I never call deca 'deca'. I will always refer to it as Nandrolone. I absolutely hate calling it deca.

[stpete]

Before everyone has a circle jerk over a box of fina-h, i feel i need to remind you that tren is very harsh! Not only on your insides(which i don't want to get into right now) but your mental well being. some people handle it differently than others. Personally, i love the stuff. Been making it since 2004 and have ran it at least once a year w/the exception 06 and 07. The insomnia, night sweats, aggresiveness, depression at times,low or no libido, exhaustion all come into play when using tren. And if you have a fulltime job and have a significant other, you will more than likely have some issues. None of the above sides go well w/the job and wifey or girlfriend. Hell, even some of your male friends might keep their distance.

Just thought i'd throw that out there. For some of the sides i mentioned is why i'm not converting some of my carts to go w/the test i'm on right now. I'm checking out what it's like not to run tren again and see what happens. So far so good.

Just something to think about.

[NaturalJohnny]

What sort of doses of tren were you running to experience such profound sides, stpete? I'm only on 200mg/week.

[stpete]

100-150mgs eod.

[spidermanhead]

Im looking for some help im gonna start a cycle tomorrow of tren ace 100 and deca 250 i bought an 8 week cycle but not sure what max dosage to take for each i know the tren i take 3 days a week mon wed fri and the deca on mon but how much ml or cc? Im not sure when people say mg when the needles arent in mg .any help please??? i have 3 bottles of each im 220 looking to up on about 20-30 lbs and after my pct hope to keep 15-20

[gixxerboy1]

Im looking for some help im gonna start a cycle tomorrow of tren ace 100 and deca 250 i bought an 8 week cycle but not sure what max dosage to take for each i know the tren i take 3 days a week mon wed fri and the deca on mon but how much ml or cc? Im not sure when people say mg when the needles arent in mg .any help please??? i have 3 bottles of each im 220 looking to up on about 20-30 lbs and after my pct hope to keep 15-20

Start a new thread. And that's one of the worste cycle you could do

[warmouth]

Start a new thread. And that's one of the worste cycle you could do

LOL! Startanewthread buddy and let others chime in too on this one. Be safe than sorry.