Sore joints on Deca/Test

[Nuzzi]

Just finished the 8th week in my current cycle of deca 400mg/wk and test e 600mg/wk. Everything has gone pretty well so far except all of a sudden towards the end of this past week I started getting some bad joint pain in my elbows, shoulders and a little in the wrists. It totaly killed my chest workout yesterday, actualy had to cut it short. I was under the impression that deca is supposed to help with joint issues, so im just trying to figure out whats going on. I did go pretty hard last week so that could be a factor. The only other thing im thinking is that I started drinking coffee again this past week, which I havent had for almost 9 months. Almost feels like its drying me out. I hardly drink alcohal so thats not a factor. I take hcg 250iu 2x/wk and stane 25mg ed. any thoughts? thanks

3rd cycle, 28, 5'10" approx 10%bf 185#
no other sides, aside from a little bloat in the midsection.

[Atomini]

Its most likely the Aromasin (stane). At 25mg per day, that is a full out dose and will reduce your estrogen levels upwards of 85%. A full dose like that will cause joint and bone pain. How long have you been using it and at what point in the cycle did you start it? With a cycle like that, there is absolutely no need for an Aromasin dose that high. If you're just tryping to control estrogen levels and keep them moderate, a dose of 12.5mg EOD should suffice. By doing a 25mg ED dose, you are obliterating your estrogen levels and that of course will cause joint issues.

[Nuzzi]

I did think maybe the stane was a factor, started the stane when I started the cycle, was at 12.5 for a while and just recently maybe a couple weeks worked up to 25mg to see how it felt. I normaly run just 12.5 on a test only cycle, so having deca plus a little more test than im used to I wanted to try upping it. I started getting some puffy nips so going by the argument that AIs can also control prolactin was the main reason for going to 25mg, and yes it did work, I tried prami but made me feel like crap and didnt really do anything. starting tomorrow ill bring it down to 18mg or so, and see if it gets better. If not, ill go to 12.5 and try the prami again.

[magic32]

Good diagnosis Atom, I concur.

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Nuzzi,

If you can't find a comfortable Mase dosage medium between staving off estro sides and joint pain, I'd recommend switching to Letro. Not Adex because the early gyno symptoms are already present and its more proactively, and less reactively effective.

Best to you.

[Atomini]

I did think maybe the stane was a factor, started the stane when I started the cycle, was at 12.5 for a while and just recently maybe a couple weeks worked up to 25mg to see how it felt. I normaly run just 12.5 on a test only cycle, so having deca plus a little more test than im used to I wanted to try upping it. I started getting some puffy nips so going by the argument that AIs can also control prolactin was the main reason for going to 25mg, and yes it did work, I tried prami but made me feel like crap and didnt really do anything. starting tomorrow ill bring it down to 18mg or so, and see if it gets better. If not, ill go to 12.5 and try the prami again.

Well, there you go that answers your question! It makes sense your sore joints would have flared up recently, because it coincides with the recent upping of Aromasin dosage to 25mg/day. I think by now your blood levels of Aromasin are high enough, and your aromatase activity is now low enough that you can drop back down to 12.5mg dose with no problems to maintain.

[ironbeck]

Its definitely no the coffee :-)

[Nuzzi]

thanks guys, i skipped the stane dose for monday and actually feel a little better already, starting today (tuesday) ill go back to 12.5 and try the prami if i need it. i got puffy nips when i was about 11 years old so its not the end of the world if they get irritated now, just dont want it getting worse. planning to get surgury done anyway a few months after this cycle.