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    arghes is offline New Member
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    First Cycle - Need Tips/Hints/Suggestions

    Age: 24

    Weight: 200

    Height: 6'2

    Years of Lifting: 5

    Cycle Materials Ready to Be Bought:
    1. Dianabol tabs (10mg/tab)
    2. Test E (250mg/ml)
    3. Nolvadex
    4. Clomid
    5. Arimidex
    6. HCG
    7. Milk Thistle
    8. Zinc
    9. Magnesium
    10. B6

    What I was hoping to get tips and suggestions about (and perhaps a thoughtful debate on certain materials during certain parts of the cycle and PCT), is how I should structure and use all of these materials during my cycle and PCT. Here is the hypothetical cycle and PCT I came up with:

    Week 1 - Test E 150mg/twice a week
    Dianabol 20mg/day
    Milk Thistle 1000mg/day

    Week 2 - Test E 150mg/twice a week
    Dianabol 20mg/day
    Milk Thistle 1000mg/day

    Week 3 - Test E 150mg/twice a week
    Dianabol 20mg/day
    HCG 250iu/twice a week
    Milk Thistle 1000mg/day

    Week 4 - Test E 150mg/twice a week
    Dianabol 20mg/day
    HCG 250iu/twice a week
    Milk Thistle 1000mg/day

    Week 5 - Test E 200mg/twice a week
    HCG 250iu/twice a week
    Milk Thistle 1000mg/day

    Week 6 - Test E 150mg/twice a week
    HCG 250iu/twice a week
    Milk Thistle 1000mg/day

    Week 7 - Test E 150mg/twice a week
    HCG 250iu/twice a week
    Milk Thistle 1000mg/day

    Week 8 - Test E 150mg/twice a week
    HCG 250iu/twice a week
    Milk Thistle 1000mg/day

    Week 9 - Dianabol 10mg/day
    HCG 250iu/twice a week
    Milk Thistle 1000mg/day

    Week 10 - HCG 250iu/twice a week
    Milk Thistle 1000mg/day

    Week 11 - Nolvadex 40mg/day
    Clomid 100mg/day
    Milk Thistle 1000mg/day
    Zinc 100% Daily Need
    Magnesium 100% Daily Need
    B6 100% Daily Need

    Week 12 - Nolvadex 40mg/day
    Clomid 50mg/day
    Milk Thistle 1000mg/day
    Zinc 100% Daily Need
    Magnesium 100% Daily Need
    B6 100% Daily Need

    Week 14 - Nolvadex 20mg/day
    Clomid 50mg/day
    Milk Thistle 1000mg/day
    Zinc 100% Daily Need
    Magnesium 100% Daily Need
    B6 100% Daily Need

    Week 15 - Nolvadex 20mg/day
    Clomid 50mg/day
    Milk Thistle 1000mg/day
    Zinc 100% Daily Need
    Magnesium 100% Daily Need
    B6 100% Daily Need



    Besides wanting to hear any general tips or suggestions on how to improve or alter my hypothetical cycle and PCT, I was also wondering if I should be including the Nolvadex everyday at 20mg/day during my cycle, or should I only take it if I begin to sense gyno. I also have the same question on Arimidex, whether I should take .5mg/EOD during my cycle, or only take it when needed. I also heard taking HCG during the cycle greatly helps when transitioning into the PCT.

    Please feel free to give any suggestions that you feel are pertinent.

    Thanks!

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    Nicely laid out and easy to follow. I would scrap the DBol and use Test E @ 250mgs twice weekly. Run your AI and PCT. No need for the Dbol rightnow for you anyways. Curious as to what the regulars and vets have to say. Take their advice on PCT, as I have no reason to run it being aTRT patient. But as far as your first cycle, goTest only for sure. Itll shock you what happens if diet and training are up to par. I honestly think Test only would/will bethe only cycle I need to run. I think the realitly is, its probably all anyone "needs" to run. It cando everything! Cut, bulk, maintain, everything. Get someveteran assistance for sure though.

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    Also, I wouldnt run nolva while on. Use Armidex or similar for that. Savethe nolva for PCT.

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    I think the cycle you have laid out is fine. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with using test and dbol in a first cycle. I know a lot of people here say test only for a first cycle and that's fine too, but adding in a little dbol is not going to ruin your life or make the cycle difficult by any means. Further, you have both compounds listed at relatively low yet safe doses overall. Possible side effects will be virtually identical with either...estrogenic due to aromatization as dbol like test can aromatize.

    As far as your question about Nolva on cycle, most will tell you to run an AI rather than a SERM when on cycle, but here's my opinion. If you can combat gyno with a SERM rather than an AI and control water retention without an AI, which can be done on low dose cycles if your diet is adjusted, then a SERM is the way to go. AI's are more effective, but if the SERM will work it will have no negative impact on cholesterol like an AI potentially can. An AI will skew your lipid profiles.

    I am not a big fan of on cycle HCG use, I think it's too risky in terms of long-term reliance. It's so easy for the body to become dependent on HCG and that's why I don't favor it for PCT.

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