"Safe" cycle? Anavar(oral)/Primobolan depot

[qscgugcsq]

Hi,
I'm 19( I know I'm young but like everyone else I got my reason to do what I'm trying to do.)
5'9" 165 lbs 13-14% bodyfat
I train for more than 3 years now and I already took almost 35 pounds naturaly with only supplement.

I've started to read on steroids about 6 months ago and I'm still reading and learning.
I'm not 100% sure to do that(soon)
I'm here principaly to learn more specificly about what I want to know.

I was planning to do a cutting cycle of 10 weeks.
25mg of Anavar /day (I will have 25mg pills)
250mg Primobolan depot/weeks (250mg/bottle)


I choose that steroid for their mild side effects and for my needs(Mass is not my main goal right now).
I plan to see my Medecin and evaluate the condition of my liver and testosterone lvl before and after(if there is an after).

I would like to have your comments based on your experience.

Is my cycle is long enough?
Are my quantity too high? too low?
Will my liver be safe enough? If not what could help?

I can look newb with these question but a really want to confirm what I think to know. What I've read and heard.

Finally, I apologize if some of my sentence were a bit weird but the english is not my native langage. So thanks to be comprehensive about it.

[warmouth]

Definitely too young, you were right about that. And there is no way I would personally run any oral, mild or not, for 10 weeks. Too risky in my opinion. I guess it could be possible if a liver enzyme test was ran at week 4 and 8. I am in no way, shape, or form advising you to do anything on a cycle. As you should do anyways, read the sticky on basic beginner cycles. If you were smart, you would wait and actually put in the work for your goals. I am sure you feel great after losing your weight naturally. Get advice from veterans via PM as well. And I would still consider a short PCT regardless of what I would be doing. One more thing, Var isnt really too mild as far as sides go. If you take it at the correct doses for visual results, the sides are pretty rough(for me at least). I go to bed everynight at 10PM, and end up on the forum here till 3 or 4 every single morning. Dont run any oral without proper liver protection. Get the advice you need from PMing the vets. If you are dead set and going to do it regardless of knowledge and being smart, they might help you to the best of their conscience.

[qscgugcsq]

Ok Thanks for your answer I made some change.

Anavar 50mg/day for the last 6 weeks
250mg Primo/weeks for 10 weeks
PCT:Nolvadex 40-40-20-20 = 4 weeks started after 3 days.

I refresh I want a cutting cycle, the safer as possible for the liver.

I'll take a close look at the sleeping problems but about the side effects I was more talking about the liver toxicity.

If someone else have any comment about it post it I want to learn

I also have to say that I don't plan to do lots of cycle... I don't want to get really massif so 1-3 cycle of quality muscle with fully please me. That's why the basic cycle like test only(to know how my body react to test) Doesn't really attract me.

[fit2bOld]

First off you to young.
Second a safer cycle does not include oral
The best cutting cycle is a good diet. If you don't put crap in your mouth you wont look like crap.
Good work out with a quality meal plan and good rest will get the result you want.

[ScotchGuard02]

Your title says "safe cycle?". Bro, the virtue of the fact that you're still a teenager with developing endo system makes AAS NOT safe.

[gixxerboy1]

as everyone said your to young.
That primo will do nothing for you. Not telling you to use primo but just so you know for future reference primo needs to be run for a min. of 16 weeks and over 800mg a week.
Also with that cycle you will have issues from shutting down your natural test. At 19 i would rather have my d!ck work the 5lbs of muscle

[qscgugcsq]

The PCT is there for that... Maybe I don't get the problem of shutting it down for 3 month and bring it back to normal do at longterm and at young age but If it's the case I would like to know it. I really want to learn as much as possible. Like I said I don't want much muscle gain so will really so much primo for so long will do a difference(about my goal of course). And fit2bold the anavar gives what I want and that's why I include it in. I know that's liver toxic but everywhere I've read it say that's mild on the liver. So I don't think that will do much damage on a healthy liver plus I'll pass test to see what happens with my liver to reconsider the use of anavar or not. And after the cycle to see if my liver is still fine or not. If not I'll take care of him promise... I don't want to look good outside and be dying inside that doesn't make sens. But If you did or know someone who did cycle with anavar who went wrong I'm willing to hear the story.

[gixxerboy1]

As for shutting down your test for 3 months. while on cycle your body will shut down its natural production. You need test to function normally. You will have issues while ON cycle. low libido, erection difficulties plus others

pct doesnt guarantee your test levels will return. And at 19 your hpts isnt fully developed. so your shutting down a system that is still developing so there is more chance of permanent damage. Even if you do recover you may not recover to you full levels so that will hurt you more in the long run.

the primo will do nothing for you at that dose for that period of time. you might as well save it or throw it in the garbage.

if you dont want to see muscle gain why are you taking steroids ?

[qscgugcsq]

Ok I thought the Primo would remplace the testo like sustanon would do... Apparantly I were wrong. And that's the main reason why I'm here, To learn.

I understand that can damage the system but still if it is almost complete the damage should be limited... I still don't want to have that kind of damage I'm just wondering.

On this site they say: "Generally, I think injectable primo needs to be used at a dose of at least 350mgs/week (100mgs/Every other Day), and preferably at a dose of 400-600mgs/week."
So I guess the 800mg is for the muscle gain, and lower could be more for cutting cycle??

And I'm still unsure about what 100mg/every other day means... Does it means like 100mg per day when he does not inject 400mg??
On 2 different product eod, If I'm right, mean it's a product or the others but when it's the same one I'm not sure.

Like I said I'm not english so some terms are a bit unclear for me.

[qscgugcsq]

The primo will be the main responsable for the test shut down so If I only take anavar at lower dose like 25 mg for 6 weeks with a bit a nolvadex after that. does the lower testosterone production will greatly affect the system or it's enough mild to try it at my age?

[gixxerboy1]

depending on the ester of the steroid ( time release) some need to be injected more frequently. eod= every other day. So if its a short ester it has to be injected more frequently to keep blood levels stable.

Those profiles are old and out dated. As for as cutting or putting on muscle, its more diet then chemicals. You can cut or bulk with any steroid.

at 19 your hpta isnt almost complete. For the normal person it develops to age 25

[gixxerboy1]

The primo will be the main responsable for the test shut down so If I only take anavar at lower dose like 25 mg for 6 weeks with a bit a nolvadex after that. does the lower testosterone production will greatly affect the system or it's enough mild to try it at my age?

anavar will suppress your system. it effects everyone differently. Some guys function ok but feel a little off, some guys can get hard and have to stop.
25mgs isnt worth taking. If you just looking to cut fix your diet. Your going to mess with your body for very little results. Thats less then half the amount of var that most guys use.

[qscgugcsq]

Long story short: I got a good diet and work out I only have a lack of discipline on my diet and my environment doesn't help at all and even when I'm able to stick to it perfectly the result are slow because I carry this fat for more than 12 years( I was really fat(about 35-40% some years ago) so It's pretty hard to lose and hard to stay motivate when it doesn't go away like we want to. I wanted to try something "dangerous" to push myself to stick to it, it's very mental in my situation... That's the reason why I don't aim for mass right now. Plus the anavar was interesting cause my muscle doesn't look firm at all and they are not enough for me...
Well, I guess I'll have to put this project on stand by...

Well, in any case Thanks alot gixxer about the info and your time I really appreciate.

[gixxerboy1]

no problem anytime.
Why dont you post your diet up. It may not be as good as you think, and maybe we can get you results faster. Also you muscles wont look hard if your bf% is high.

[qscgugcsq]

Meal1: 1 whole eggs-4white
1/2 cup of oatmeal
1 green apple
Meal2: 1 cup 0% yogurt grec
Meal3: 1 cup horse meat
1 cup brown rice
1 cup mixed vegetables
meal4: 1/4 cup almond
1 scoop of whey
meal5: 1 1/2 cup of white chicken
Big salade with mixed vegetables.
meal6: 1/2 cup of 4% cheese allegro
meal7: 2 scoop of whey( on supose to have almond butter but it's LOT easier for me to have this.)

I fully trust the one who did me this diet...

[qscgugcsq]

I try to train 2 hours after a meal and I have 2 scoop of whey right after. I know 5 scoop per day Is alot, but thats a good whey(whey nsp)(and by good I mean nothing bad in it cause the quality of the protein is very average)

That's one problem... My training are not always at the same hours so I modulate my diet to fit with my training.

[gixxerboy1]

do you know the macros of that diet?
what are your stats now?
height
weight
bf%

[qscgugcsq]

2300 cal 188g prot he has been generous on fat but i don't have the quantity of carbs and fats

I'm 5'9"
165Lbs
13-14%