Am I to overweight to run a cycle? Pics and Stats inside.

[Scotty21]

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[MuscleInk]

At 19 years of age I think you're jumping the gun on this. Would you be willing to post your nutrition plan with daily macros so we can see what your intake is like? That is your best option right now for maximizing gains unless you have a physiological problem with your endogenous testosterone you haven't mentioned. You should still have several years of natural growth ahead of you. Cycling now would not be in your best interest.

[West Coast Winner]

Ya just take some fat burners bro haha. You will be looking good in notime!

[Metalject]

Half the people here will tell you to get your BF down first staring that side effects will be worse if you cycle. I say bullshit. You will lose more body fat on cycle, you will keep more lean muscle mass that you would otherwise undoubtedly lose when dieting and you'd have a better physique. The idea that you have to be less than 15% BF that some parrot is about the most retarded thing I've ever heard in my life. If that was the case, no man on earth would ever be given a TRT script. Anyway, as far as what to expect, hard to give specifics but you'll look better is the short answer.

[austinite]

Half the people here will tell you to get your BF down first staring that side effects will be worse if you cycle. I say bullshit. You will lose more body fat on cycle, you will keep more lean muscle mass that you would otherwise undoubtedly lose when dieting and you'd have a better physique. The idea that you have to be less than 15% BF that some parrot is about the most retarded thing I've ever heard in my life. If that was the case, no man on earth would ever be given a TRT script. Anyway, as far as what to expect, hard to give specifics but you'll look better is the short answer.

Sorry. But the fact that you compared a TRT dose to a cycle, renders any information about cycling that you've acquired useless.

[MuscleInk]

Sorry. But the fact that you compared a TRT dose to a cycle, renders any information about cycling that you've acquired useless.

Ya, I didn't follow that comment entirely. TRT is not (or should not) be prescribed for fat loss. It's prescribed (as we all likely know) for individuals with low testosterone (generally males 35 years or older). Yes, there are benefits to bf management with testosterone however, it can also promote water retention (less so than other compounds) and bloating in some individuals. I don't entirely agree with the statement that bf has little to do with risks. Perhaps the degree of risk between 15-20% is marginal at best, however, with increased body fat there is in fact greater risk to the individual. Without knowing the medical history of the individual, he/she could be more predisposed to untoward side effects than others which would likely correlate with amount of bf. It's a general rule and safe guard that a bf less than 20% will lower complications related to cycling. Everyone will obviously differ, but I would still advise that a bf less than 20% is more desirable when cycling than a higher percentage of bf. I realize the OP has a "safer" amount body fat, but again, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the relationship between bf and risks of anabolics.

[austinite]

Ya, I didn't follow that comment entirely. TRT is not (or should not) be prescribed for fat loss. It's prescribed (as we all likely know) for individuals with low testosterone (generally males 35 years or older). Yes, there are benefits to bf management with testosterone however, it can also promote water retention (less so than other compounds) and bloating in some individuals. I don't entirely agree with the statement that bf has little to do with risks. Perhaps the degree of risk between 15-20% is marginal at best, however, with increased body fat there is in fact greater risk to the individual. Without knowing the medical history of the individual, he/she could be more predisposed to untoward side effects than others which would likely correlate with amount of bf. It's a general rule and safe guard that a bf less than 20% will lower complications related to cycling. Everyone will obviously differ, but I would still advise that a bf less than 20% is more desirable when cycling than a higher percentage of bf. I realize the OP has a "safer" amount body fat, but again, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the relationship between bf and risks of anabolics.

Well said, MI.

[Lunk1]

Half the people here will tell you to get your BF down first staring that side effects will be worse if you cycle. I say bullshit. You will lose more body fat on cycle, you will keep more lean muscle mass that you would otherwise undoubtedly lose when dieting and you'd have a better physique. The idea that you have to be less than 15% BF that some parrot is about the most retarded thing I've ever heard in my life. If that was the case, no man on earth would ever be given a TRT script. Anyway, as far as what to expect, hard to give specifics but you'll look better is the short answer.

Metal, I don't entirely disagree with you in the respect that 15% isn't a magic number but.......speaking from experience I ran my first cycle at around 22% or so. I did't experience any gyno but I did have some rather high blood pressure that was no doubt caused by the cycle and my BF%. Did I shred fat yup, but I also worked my ass off and know how how to get it done at the gym.

As MI pointed out. It might be ok for some but when giving advise on the boards my opinion is that it's best to speak in general terms since more ppl than just the OP are reading the advise.

In this case the GENERAL rule is lower BF% when starting leades to better (more noticable) gaines with less chance of harmful side affects.

[Lunk1]

Lets not overlook the OP's age being 19 so the answer should still be wait. Honestly at 19 if thats what your body looks like you simply have not shown that you are nearly dedicated enough for AAS. Put in the gym, cardio and diet and do not look to juice as a shortcut to lose weight.

[Scotty21]

Thanks for all the quick feedback. And yes I know 19 is on the young side but I have been researching this for over a year and finally feel like it's time. There's really no turning back now as I have everything on the way. Depending on your feedback on the weight issue I was thinking about holding off a few months to slim down.

[BobTheBodyBuilder]

If your mind is set on getting on the gear at a young age, then there is nothing really we can do about that.

but for your own sake, cut down to ATLEAST 13% BF before you hop on.

cut out all carbs (including dairy products) after 1 pm, workout in the morning if you can, eat more veggies and lean meats, and do cardio every other day.

You will thank me for this once you are done your cycle. the results will be much more appealing.

[Lunk1]

Thanks for all the quick feedback. And yes I know 19 is on the young side but I have been researching this for over a year and finally feel like it's time. There's really no turning back now as I have everything on the way. Depending on your feedback on the weight issue I was thinking about holding off a few months to slim down.

Cape told me not to suger coat all the time and this seems like one of those times. Kid...you are an idiot if this is your logic!!!!! There is plenty of time to tun back! Part way into a cycle with your age and BF% is when it might be to late! STOP,THINK! Nobody is is trying to tell you that you can't ever join the club, just do it right. Go o the nutrition forum and enlist some help there. Get dedicated on your workouts and watch how fast you will grow! Please for the love of god and everything holy do not be another 19 year old in here saying I am going to do it no matter what I am told!

[Bonaparte]

Reasons why you shouldn't use AAS:
1) you're 19
2) You don't look like you've ever lifted a weight in your life (and I don't believe those lift numbers).
3) You don't have a clue what you're doing with regards to training, eating, or much of anything else.

[Bigd89]

Reasons why you shouldn't use AAS:
1) you're 19
2) You don't look like you've ever lifted a weight in your life (and I don't believe those lift numbers).
3) You don't have a clue what you're doing with regards to training, eating, or much of anything else.

x2...

[Sheven]

Don't use roids until you like 25. Really. Unless you are a pro athlete and your career really depends on using performance enhancing drugs, don't put any anabolic into your body at this age. You will totally **** up your hormone levels for the rest of your life and believe me, gyno that young SUCKS!. If you do it for women, no girl gives a shit about your loan-shark look you will get from 500mg of Cyp during 10 weeks with your current look. You have man boobs and belly bigger than some random pub guy. Get the f*** in proper shape and start having some proper diet. You are 19 years old and think to juice when you can't even look "athletic" you look like you've been living in a pub for the last 5 years eating chips and drinking beer. For Christ sake...

BTW: you already have lipomastia and with 500mg cyp / week you will have sexy books like kim kardashian. you didn't believe all that bullshit that nolvadex will prevent that from happening to you right? putting test into you body at your age will mess up your HTPA so bad that you will grow gyno even 1 year after your cycle and you can bet on that. By the way, tamoxifen (nolva) is related to a plethora of cancer related cases in female and male... you being a healthy 19 year old guy probably the missing things in your life is a ****ed up endocrine system for the rest of your life and a cancer lottery. Good luck with that!

[Scotty21]

Well that was all kind of harsh. And I didn't sugar coat my lifts... whatever though that's not the important part. I'll probably hold off as long as I can while the juice stays good. I'll look up how long it lasts in a vial. Probably just lock it and the needles in a safe for as long as I can. I'll just work on my nutrition for now.

About all the shit talk on my physique- I was kind of hoping I would be able to burn more body fat through just lifting and not running, as I actually had an eating disorder the last time I started trying to lose weight and went from 205 to 148.

[liftology]

If you want to lost weight, try HIIT and low carb until you get to low bf. Also, your gear should last about 6 months or so I believe.. correct me if I am wrong

[greenwell001]

Ya, I didn't follow that comment entirely. TRT is not (or should not) be prescribed for fat loss. It's prescribed (as we all likely know) for individuals with low testosterone (generally males 35 years or older). Yes, there are benefits to bf management with testosterone however, it can also promote water retention (less so than other compounds) and bloating in some individuals. I don't entirely agree with the statement that bf has little to do with risks. Perhaps the degree of risk between 15-20% is marginal at best, however, with increased body fat there is in fact greater risk to the individual. Without knowing the medical history of the individual, he/she could be more predisposed to untoward side effects than others which would likely correlate with amount of bf. It's a general rule and safe guard that a bf less than 20% will lower complications related to cycling. Everyone will obviously differ, but I would still advise that a bf less than 20% is more desirable when cycling than a higher percentage of bf. I realize the OP has a "safer" amount body fat, but again, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the relationship between bf and risks of anabolics.

Well said, i have seen some on here say you need to get down to 10-12% before hopping on cycle. i think everyone should be made known of the possiblility of tougher sides, but quit telling everyone thats not 15% or below that they are not good enough for a cycle, geeze. you should post a pic of yourself if you are saying this to a newbie, so he will know what 15%bf or below looks like.

[Farid]

just train hard at the gym naturally, you can use supplements like fat burners, creatines, amino acid to help you

[gonzo6183]

Reasons why you shouldn't use AAS:
1) you're 19
2) You don't look like you've ever lifted a weight in your life (and I don't believe those lift numbers).
3) You don't have a clue what you're doing with regards to training, eating, or much of anything else.

X 3 my thoughts exactly

[Metalject]

Sorry. But the fact that you compared a TRT dose to a cycle, renders any information about cycling that you've acquired useless.

I was not comparing TRT doses to supraphysiological doses, but regardless of the dose this doesn't change the specific nature of whatever hormone may be in question.

Yes, I agree large amounts of excess body fat will make issues surrounding aromatization far more difficult to control. Further, severely overweight people often already suffer from improper lipid panels and jumping on gear could make this worse...especially in large doses. What's worse, the effects of AI's often used to control the side effects of steroids will significantly increase the risk of improper lipid values.

Moreover, this guy asked a specific question in relation to his current body fat level, which while on the high side compared to many guys who have been training and eating properly for years is still well within the range that would be considered healthy or rather not obese by any medical standard.

Interesting/Useful Data:

2001, American Journal of Endocrinology:
61 men - 18-35yrs old - all varying greatly in muscularity and body fat:
Split into five groups and given testosterone enanthate for 20wks
Group 1: 25mg/wk
Group 2: 50mg/wk
Group 3: 125mg/wk
Group 4: 300mg/wk
Group 5: 600mg/wk
Brief Summary: of the 61 men the only notable negative effect associated with anabolic steroid use was a slight reduction in HDL levels. Only those in group five (600mg) were reported to experience drops in HDL below normal but only slightly. All groups were found to experience increases in strength, LBM and decreases in BF...group 5 most notably.

This is not the only study similar to this one with similar findings. The NEJM 1996 study mirrors this one fairly well with a total of 20 men receiving 600mg/wk...10 of which did not exercise with a broader age group of 19-49yrs of age.

None of this is to say estrogenic effects cannot be increasingly problematic with high levels of body fat. That was not my point in my original post. My point was often message boards exasperate this idea far beyond what any data supports. Most men will benefit from testosterone use even if their BF is not at a low level...this is not including those in an obese category, which was also never implied.

Last interesting note...in both studies mentioned, the American Journal of Endocrinology and New England Journal of Medicine, none were given any type of anti-estrogen, no AI's or SERM's. This is not to say such tools can't be useful, simply a note of interest.

[kmms]

I was not comparing TRT doses to supraphysiological doses, but regardless of the dose this doesn't change the specific nature of whatever hormone may be in question.

Yes, I agree large amounts of excess body fat will make issues surrounding aromatization far more difficult to control. Further, severely overweight people often already suffer from improper lipid panels and jumping on gear could make this worse...especially in large doses. What's worse, the effects of AI's often used to control the side effects of steroids will significantly increase the risk of improper lipid values.

Moreover, this guy asked a specific question in relation to his current body fat level, which while on the high side compared to many guys who have been training and eating properly for years is still well within the range that would be considered healthy or rather not obese by any medical standard.

Interesting/Useful Data:

2001, American Journal of Endocrinology:
61 men - 18-35yrs old - all varying greatly in muscularity and body fat:
Split into five groups and given testosterone enanthate for 20wks
Group 1: 25mg/wk
Group 2: 50mg/wk
Group 3: 125mg/wk
Group 4: 300mg/wk
Group 5: 600mg/wk
Brief Summary: of the 61 men the only notable negative effect associated with anabolic steroid use was a slight reduction in HDL levels. Only those in group five (600mg) were reported to experience drops in HDL below normal but only slightly. All groups were found to experience increases in strength, LBM and decreases in BF...group 5 most notably.

This is not the only study similar to this one with similar findings. The NEJM 1996 study mirrors this one fairly well with a total of 20 men receiving 600mg/wk...10 of which did not exercise with a broader age group of 19-49yrs of age.

None of this is to say estrogenic effects cannot be increasingly problematic with high levels of body fat. That was not my point in my original post. My point was often message boards exasperate this idea far beyond what any data supports. Most men will benefit from testosterone use even if their BF is not at a low level...this is not including those in an obese category, which was also never implied.

Last interesting note...in both studies mentioned, the American Journal of Endocrinology and New England Journal of Medicine, none were given any type of anti-estrogen, no AI's or SERM's. This is not to say such tools can't be useful, simply a note of interest.

i haven't read through either study but i do find the information to be interesting and thought provoking. i'm now 9 days into a test e 500 (250x2) dbol 25mg cycle and while i've got arimidex , clomid and tamoxifene on hand i'm going to be looking for clear indications to introduce the adex as it's my first cycle, or my blood work at 2 weeks if lacking any sides. my bf% i've had to estimate at 15% and with none of the common estrogen related sides apparent yet i'd prefer not to add an AI unless labs indicate i need it. in the next month or so my pharmacist says she'll have exemestane and from what i've read i think i'd prefer using that to arimidex if using an AI is warranted, all things considered. not intending to hijack the thread.

[cro]

you need to trim up some naturally,and wait a couple of years before running a cycle bud.

[Scotty21]

Thanks Cro.

[Metalject]

you need to trim up some naturally,and wait a couple of years before running a cycle bud.

Why? Based on the information I provided the risk to reward ratio would be far in favor of reward.
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All I see is a bunch of people parroting a bf% with no actual basis to support the claim

[ghettoboyd]

Why? Based on the information I provided the risk to reward ratio would be far in favor of reward.
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All I see is a bunch of people parroting a bf% with no actual basis to support the claim

in all honesty bro shouldent the op at least look like he lifts weights?...he looks to me to have gyno of some sort unless thats just fat i dont know...id be weary of a cycle in his condition regardless of weather or not it is, but i would be concerned if i where him cus once it develops to a certain degree there may be no turning back...i think you giving him the thumbs up is of poor taste...

[Lunk1]

[QUOTE=Metalject;6131315]Why? Based on the information I provided the risk to reward ratio would be far in favor of reward.
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All I see is a bunch of people parroting a bf% with no actual basis to support the claim[/QUOT]


In THIS case it has less to do with his BF and more to do with his level of dedication. If you are fat and don't diet or workout you will stay fat or get even fatter. Use fo AAS without diet and workout will only increase the fat gain and risk of sides.

[MuscleInk]

Well said, i have seen some on here say you need to get down to 10-12% before hopping on cycle. i think everyone should be made known of the possiblility of tougher sides, but quit telling everyone thats not 15% or below that they are not good enough for a cycle, geeze. you should post a pic of yourself if you are saying this to a newbie, so he will know what 15%bf or below looks like.

Again, 20% is a general rule. Everyone responds differently to gear. Somone at 27% may respond well with few sides and someone at 16% may have more side effects than anticipated. There is simply no way of knowing. The advice offered here is based on consensus, not gospel. There are numerous reasons why someone with a higher bf would be expected to have more complications, however, no two people are alike and individual differences create variability in responses. The problem though, becomes when uneducated users decide to take gear with false hopes and misinformation driven by unreasonable and impetuous expectations and actions. These more often tend to be the users that return to the forum begging for help because they've harmed themselves in some way simply because they didn't head the advice offered or were too damn impatient to make an INFORMED decision. The mentality that "I have to start steroids NOW" is flawed, reckless, and ignorant, especially at 19 years of age. I'm not going to stand here and be a hypocrite and say "steroids are bad", but most kids at 19 years of age really haven't thought this decision through - plain and simple. I believe anabolics when used safely and correctly and at the RIGHT TIME in your life, can offer many benefits, but its certainly not a decision you rush into simply because you've seen some big guys at the gym and thought "I want to be big like that" or because some moron in the gym told you its a good idea. The guys on this forum that have had real success with anabolic cycles are those that understand the entire aspect of body building: (1) Nutrition; (2) Training; (3) Responsible, well informed cycling.

As for pictures......if the OP wants to see sub 10% bf, all he has to do is open his eyes and look at my avi. Its staring him right in the face.

[songdog]

Bonaparte hit the nail on the head.

[Lunk1]

Again, 20% is a general rule. Everyone responds differently to gear. Somone at 27% may respond well with few sides and someone at 16% may have more side effects than anticipated. There is simply no way of knowing. The advice offered here is based on consensus, not gospel. There are numerous reasons why someone with a higher bf would be expected to have more complications, however, no two people are alike and individual differences create variability in responses. The problem though, becomes when uneducated users decide to take gear with false hopes and misinformation driven by unreasonable and impetuous expectations and actions. These more often tend to be the users that return to the forum begging for help because they've harmed themselves in some way simply because they didn't head the advice offered or were too damn impatient to make an INFORMED decision. The mentality that "I have to start steroids NOW" is flawed, reckless, and ignorant, especially at 19 years of age. I'm not going to stand here and be a hypocrite and say "steroids are bad", but most kids at 19 years of age really haven't thought this decision through - plain and simple. I believe anabolics when used safely and correctly and at the RIGHT TIME in your life, can offer many benefits, but its certainly not a decision you rush into simply because you've seen some big guys at the gym and thought "I want to be big like that" or because some moron in the gym told you its a good idea. The guys on this forum that have had real success with anabolic cycles are those that understand the entire aspect of body building: (1) Nutrition; (2) Training; (3) Responsible, well informed cycling.

As for pictures......if the OP wants to see sub 10% bf, all he has to do is open his eyes and look at my avi. Its staring him right in the face.

Ok..so some arn't soooo humble Show off. ***stomping around jelious***

[MuscleInk]

[/B]

Ok..so some arn't soooo humble Show off. ***stomping around jelious***

Meh....I was called out so I had to respond. lol

[Metalject]

in all honesty bro shouldent the op at least look like he lifts weights?...he looks to me to have gyno of some sort unless thats just fat i dont know...id be weary of a cycle in his condition regardless of weather or not it is, but i would be concerned if i where him cus once it develops to a certain degree there may be no turning back...i think you giving him the thumbs up is of poor taste...

I wasn't telling this guy to use any steroids , my argument has simply been based on the body fat comments so many tend to make on message boards when it comes to actual use and side effects. I also agree, a 19yr old shouldn't use steroids ...it will be better for his health in the long run if he waits.

Ive seen so many guy over the years make such dramatic improvements in not only their physique but in their overall well-being with a little test...TRT doses and slightly above. Many of these guys were not what anyone on here would consider avid about training. However, many become avid and tend to live a healthier lifestyle once they start. I've witnessed plenty of guys who were just average, higher than desirable body fat (not obese) who when they used 200mg, 300mg or even 400mg of testosterone per week saw their lives continually improved without any complications in spite of what messages boards often preach. Definitely despite what popular culture often preaches.

Last thing, I didn't tell the guy "yes, use steroids." I simply answered his question and from there responded to the proceeding comments of others. Personally, I'd like to see more answers given on message boards that actually directly answer questions on the basis of the actual question rather than berating people with side comments based on their stats while not answering the questions at hand at all. This is not encouraging irresponsible use by any means, but rather informing and helping people understand what these hormones can actually do. That's how people learn IMO.

[kmms]

I wasn't telling this guy to use any steroids , my argument has simply been based on the body fat comments so many tend to make on message boards when it comes to actual use and side effects. I also agree, a 19yr old shouldn't use steroids ...it will be better for his health in the long run if he waits.

Ive seen so many guy over the years make such dramatic improvements in not only their physique but in their overall well-being with a little test...TRT doses and slightly above. Many of these guys were not what anyone on here would consider avid about training. However, many become avid and tend to live a healthier lifestyle once they start. I've witnessed plenty of guys who were just average, higher than desirable body fat (not obese) who when they used 200mg, 300mg or even 400mg of testosterone per week saw their lives continually improved without any complications in spite of what messages boards often preach. Definitely despite what popular culture often preaches.

Last thing, I didn't tell the guy "yes, use steroids." I simply answered his question and from there responded to the proceeding comments of others. Personally, I'd like to see more answers given on message boards that actually directly answer questions on the basis of the actual question rather than berating people with side comments based on their stats while not answering the questions at hand at all. This is not encouraging irresponsible use by any means, but rather informing and helping people understand what these hormones can actually do. That's how people learn IMO.

solid advice. well reasoned and logical.

[JWP806]

Bro, it really seems like your lifts are exaggerated. Props to posting pictures and seeking advice but no need to be dishonest. I would wait until I have a solid base before beginning a cycle... Not to mention your age. You seem open to the information that has been given to you and that is refreshing to see. Hit the weights hard and get a solid diet so that when you are ready to begin, you will see better and longer lasting results.

[Rwy]

Everyones body is different and thats what it really comes down to. Sides are sides for people at all different bf%.

I just started my trt but before I did I ran test for 16 weeks at 500mg ran hgh that varied between 2-4 ius for 4 months ( generics so who knows and still going) and ran var at 60mg for 8 weeks. I am now down to 16% body fat and have had zero sides. Ran hcg and ai alos but I started all of this at 26% body fat.


I have a buddy that started trt that was def 30% bf with a dr that didnt give him and ai and after 3-4 trt shots his estrogen went through the freaking roof and became super emotional. Everyones different

[ppwc1985]

Yea the bf% again, but honestly he don't look like somebody dedicated to lifting. Even with a crappy diet anyone who is dedicated to going to gym will look like they been there. Eat, and eat more and get dedicated to lifting and you wll lose the fat. Just remember the more muscle you have the more fat you will burn. Skip the gear till your 25 and just get dedicated to lifting.

[Scotty21]

Thank you everybody. Regarding the lifts, I'm not some guy who tried to make myself look good by exaggerating lifts. If I were trying to make you guys think I was some badass I sure as hell would have at least flexed in my pictures. That's not what I'm here for, I know my body is no where near all of yours. However people consider me a strong kid, the front pic had no flexing and I feel like it does me a lot of injustice. People know I lift when they see me. And I don't lift for girls, I lift for the confidence of knowing I could hold my own if a fight were to break out and to just be someone who people respect when they see them. Basically I lift to feel good about myself.

I've taken all your thoughts into consideration. Although I know you won't be happy about what i'm about to say, I'm not going to simply get rid of $150.00 + needles, pct, etc... I do however plan on looking at the expiration date when I receive it and I will hold off as long as possible. I will work seriously on cutting as much body fat as I can while maintaining muscle, I cooked up all my meals for this week this afternoon- lots of grilled chicken, rice, and broccoli. I will be eating wheaties or oats everyday for breakfast.

I would like to thank Shevan for the harsh, although true words. That hit me hard and pushed me over the edge from a person who tries to eat healthy but has the occasional pop/ night out with a friend to a person who has wrote down macros and plans to stick to them.

ALSO I am aware I have always had puffy nipples. They are very embarrassing and even when I reached 150 pounds I was still self-conscious about them. Hopefully by cutting as much body fat as I can before I start the cycle I can reduce the effects the test c will have on my already embarrassing nipples.

Thanks everyone for the input, and I will keep you all updated.

[havanakid]

Diet and lots of cardio first bro...maybe supplement with some l-carnitine and lean quality whey protein.

[Scotty21]

I just posted in nutrition. I am trying to save my lean whey protein and casein protein until I actually start the cycle, but that may change depending on how this initial start to my REAL cutting routine goes.

[SEOINAGE]

Hey, it's not the body fat that is the big concern here for me, although you could lose it fairly quick and then you might think you are ready for a cycle. But imo if you get some time under your belt being consistent you will be so much better for it. I would be willing to bet in a few more years you could put on a good 20-30 lbs of muscle naturally, muscle which you can maintain, not muscle you will lose after a cycle. I didn't start making my amazing gains until I was 20 years old. You don't want to miss out on that. Biggest things for you to do, and really anyone, is to always be open minded and constantly learning, always think your training or diet could improve, and as time goes on you will keep learning rather than pushing knowledge aside. You might be able to get some quick results from a cycle now, but if you really want this long term, you need to seriously prepare yourself, and that takes time, and a lot more than you would think. 150 bucks is nothing btw, not worth using just cause you spent it. And it has a pretty long shelf life, 4 years or so my vial says.