2nd Cycle Questions

**Farid** · 08-25-2012, 09:53 PM

Ok so im on my 4th week of test E and D bol , before this i did D bol only 6 weeks @ 40 mg to get my feet "wet" and liked the gains, gained about 25 lbs and kept 20 lbs. Didn't even do Pct on it, but I will on the 2nd REAL cycle, Nolva + Clomid. Sides : Constant pumps, strength gain, few pimples toward the end and of course bloat. Now, so far on my Test E and D bol cycle doing 4 weeks (40/40/50/50)mg d bol and Test E @ 12 weeks 400mg gained about 10 lbs while still burning BF and love the gains so far, prepping for the next cycle after.

I plan on doing Tren A + Test Prop but not sure of the dosages 100% sure yet..
It will be something like this

Tren Ace 50mg/0.67ML ED for 8 weeks
Prop 75mg/??ML ED for 8 weeks

Pct 3 days after :
Weeks 1-4: clomid 50mg/day
Weeks 1-2: Nolva 40mg/day
Weeks 3-4: Nolva 20mg/day

Stats :21(22 in 29 days)
training On and Off since 15/Consistent since 18
Weight : 165 lbs
Height : 5'5 (Parents are short)
BF: <11%

Diet :
Breakfast : 1 egg yolk, 3 egg whites + Oatmeal
Meal 2 : Weight gainer (1000 calories)
Train
Meal 3 : Weight Gainer protein Shake (1000 calories)
Meal 4: Rice/Pasta/chicken/beef/turkey/fish
Meal 5 :Rice/Pasta/chicken/beef/turkey/fish

Then before bed I always have 1/4th of Cottage Cheese < 2% Fat
Also take things like creatine, multivits, amino acid, omega 3 caps & Livercare (canadian version of Liv 52)

Thanks guys!

**Farid** · 08-25-2012, 09:55 PM

oh and i forgot to ask if that pct is enough to get my libido back to normal? for both cycles

**Farid** · 08-26-2012, 10:06 AM

someone ?

**gixxerboy1** · 08-26-2012, 10:14 AM

the reason you put so much on in the last cycles is because you were way to small to be using steroids .
At your age you shouldnt use anything
Your diet is horrible, your not eating anything. Thats why you keep loosing bf% on cycle
thats way to high of dosages then you would need if you should be cycling.
no ai, no hcg and 165 on your 3rd cycle, your asking for long term issues

**Farid** · 08-26-2012, 10:23 AM

i have ai on hand but never had any gyno symptoms, where i live i cannot get any hcg . I'm a short guy and I always have a meal every 2 hours, i eat over 3500+ calories easily, i also maybe didn't mention it but i have snacks in between my meals like hand full of almonds/fruits/salads.. and I also walk around with a bloated belly because I am constantly full

**gixxerboy1** · 08-26-2012, 10:27 AM

i'm 5'6 also. Second thats not 3500 calories of food. i eat 3600 to maintain my weight of 195. And your not close to what i eat per day.
just because you dont have gyno symptoms means nothing. Not everyone gets gyno. Taking testosterone will raise your estrogen levels period. Raised estrogen has all kind of health issues that you cant feel. Why do you think your so bloated?

**Farid** · 08-26-2012, 10:35 AM

ah its just everytime i eat a meal im always full, like I can't eat any more or il puke.. when i have my chicken breasts i usally have like 3-4 pieces, or when i eat steak its 16 Oz maybe i should cut them down into smaller portions? and I usually have half to an entire plate of pure white rice with it as well.. If I dont feel full enough I will have like another plate of spaghetti etc..

p.s im on my 2nd real cycle not 3d (test e + d bol)

**gixxerboy1** · 08-26-2012, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Farid

ah its just everytime i eat a meal im always full, like I can't eat any more or il puke.. when i have my chicken breasts i usally have like 3-4 pieces, or when i eat steak its 16 Oz maybe i should cut them down into smaller portions? and I usually have half to an entire plate of pure white rice with it as well.. If I dont feel full enough I will have like another plate of spaghetti etc..

p.s im on my 2nd real cycle not 3d (test e + d bol)

it takes time to eat more. you cant jump 100o calories in a day. little my little you will be able to. but there is no sence juicing more to you will be able to. your not going to stay above 165 with that diet

**Tasmaniac** · 08-26-2012, 04:48 PM

You're way too young and small to be using steroids like that. I'd stop with the dbol straight away and come off the test quickly, adjust your diet and hope to God you haven't already ruined your heart and the rest of your body IMO. With your diet, you're likely to end up with a skinny body and huge organs pushing out. My mate started out as young as you and died of a heart attack at 42.

**stpete** · 08-26-2012, 04:57 PM

A lot of people underestimate the power of good dieting and training. Or maybe just too lazy and think that AAS is a "magic pill." And at your age you are taking too big of a chance w/your endocrine system. And even w/aas, you have to diet and train like crazy or you will not make or keep your gains.

**Tasmaniac** · 08-26-2012, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

A lot of people underestimate the power of good dieting and training. Or maybe just too lazy and think that AAS is a "magic pill." And at your age you are taking too big of a chance w/your endocrine system. And even w/aas, you have to diet and train like crazy or you will not make or keep your gains.

Exactly. Although dbol is a bit different. You'll get bigger without as much effort but if you've got your diet wrong, you might even end up smaller than you were at the start. Also remember, anything that makes you blow up quickly on the outside is also doing that to your organs. I'd love to tell you more but you're asking for trouble at your age. I'd be seeing a doctor and making sure you don't have any long term effects...

**Farid** · 08-26-2012, 06:21 PM

Exactly. Although dbol is a bit different. You'll get bigger without as much effort but if you've got your diet wrong, you might even end up smaller than you were at the start. Also remember, anything that makes you blow up quickly on the outside is also doing that to your organs. I'd love to tell you more but you're asking for trouble at your age. I'd be seeing a doctor and making sure you don't have any long term effects...

I did some blood work and such before I went on it too.. My BP was optimal before and normal during d bol only.. I also had more bloat then I do now with Test E + d bol.. I've been also training hard and serious for 4 years naturally with supplements. I follow a strict program and very consistent, 5 days at the gym(deadlifts, clean and press, squats) and get my 8-10 hours of sleep every day. I don't drink anything but water sometimes green tea, don't smoke, drugs or anything. And I don't think that d bol is a magic pill, I started it knowing I could lose most of my gains and possible side effects yet I kept most of it 90% of it during time off.. I tripled my water consumption, ate more, and lift heavier at the gym.. I don't know why most of you are freaked about "test e + d bol cycle" when arnold started at 16, lee priest at 19, etc. And I came here asking for a proper dosage of tren A + prop for a next cycle with or without any help..

**Tasmaniac** · 08-26-2012, 09:04 PM

It's bad enough that you started using AAS so young. Using it (and especially dbol ) when you are five and a half foot tall at 60kg isn't a good thing. Your organs will be pushing out soon and you'll probably die of a heart attack before you turn 50. All because you can't get your diet right. The golden rule to bodybuilding is to make sure you get either food or a supplement every three hours. Youre just killing yourself. Good luck with that...

**Farid** · 08-26-2012, 09:18 PM

It's bad enough that you started using AAS so young. Using it (and especially dbol ) when you are five and a half foot tall at 60kg isn't a good thing. Your organs will be pushing out soon and you'll probably die of a heart attack before you turn 50. All because you can't get your diet right. The golden rule to bodybuilding is to make sure you get either food or a supplement every three hours. Youre just killing yourself. Good luck with that...

well I have less then a week of dbol left anyways and I don't plan to re-use it in any other cycle ever again, I only plan on doing 1 more cycle (cutting, tren A + Prop after 3 months off excluding Pct) and see where I could go from there naturally.. I have about 8 weeks left for Test E @ 400mg and its just starting to kick in I can't just stop.. I do eat every 2 hours and in between have fruits/etc, been about 3 years at least I have been on this. I don't know about the "organs pushing out", I have never felt so strong and healthy. Thanks for your concern but I guess no one will want to help me with proper dosage info so ill just have to ask the gym rats...

**warmouth** · 08-26-2012, 10:27 PM

I wouldnt worry about permanent damage to your heart right now. I could be possible soon if you dont learn how to cycle properly. Your biggest flaw is that horrid diet. 2000 calories from mass gainer? Protien shakes? No way man. You have got to eat more whole foods. I understand supplementing with shakes, but that arent meal substitutes. And at your age, you should have plenty of time to eat. And also, that 3rd "real" cycle sucks. MAybe for a woman, but read the stickys and research way more. Isnt research more improtant to you than just jumping in and risking permanent probelms with your twig and berries? Dont do something stupid and not research. No one here is going to tell you what to take or how to take it. That is up to you to find out. But so far, those 4 week cycles are doing nothing but damage. Study up. I see alot of AAS user who are so lazy they just do whatever. And it shows not only in improper cycles, but their work ethic, lifestyle, and everything else they do. Just half a** whatever they do because they are too lazy to do what is needed. Hit the diet section, learn to eat, then plan your cycle accordingly. No more 4 week "experiments"!

**Farid** · 08-27-2012, 05:22 PM

I like how everyone is telling me this is wrong and that is wrong but no one will bother telling why its wrong or what I can tweak to improve it. I went to the nutrition part of the forum and my diet is quite similar to what much is posted. im trying to bulk about 15 lbs more during current cycle, then shred more bf while maintaining weight next cycle..

Im making progress on my current cycle and im happy with my gains with none to minimal side effects (2-3 pimples)

but thanks warmouth I appreciate your help and I will definately look more into it for my next cycle!

**gixxerboy1** · 08-27-2012, 06:10 PM

you cant go by diets posted. Everyone requires a different amount of food. What works for 1 is not necessarily going to work for another

**ILLEATYERFKNHART** · 08-27-2012, 06:28 PM

Drop the juice and pick up a bottle of vodka maybe a big mac repeat everyday weeks 1-12 drink 20 beer EOD Weeks 14-16 pct make sure not to wear condoms during this period to prevent gyno. Next cycle try heroin with a pcp kicker use your buddy's needles to save $$$ don't look back... Fck the haters juicing is for idiots that want to die at 40 like Coleman and Arnold did...

**gixxerboy1** · 08-27-2012, 06:36 PM

^^^^ why are you even here?

**ILLEATYERFKNHART** · 08-27-2012, 06:53 PM

I just think it's funny everyone flamed him for being too young/ small is he better off with steroids and a healthy diet or smoking crack and eating cheeseburgers like half the 21 year olds out there?

**AXx** · 08-27-2012, 06:57 PM