First Cycle (Test cyp, dbol, and ??)

[YrRndFit21]

Hey guys, so I'm 22 yrs old, 6' tall, 190 lbs, 8-9% bf, and an ectomorph by nature. I've been training for about 7 years now, and been working on perfecting my diet for the past 3. I'm planning on competing by the end of 2013 and want to take my physique to the next level. I've never cycled before, so I'm thinking about doing a pretty low dosed one to see how it reacts with my body. I have friends that have done cycles before , but I wanted your guys' advice too.

I was thinking about doing 1/2-1 cc of test per week(split up into two days) for 8 weeks(maybe increase the dose halfway through?), dbol for the first 4-5 weeks at only 10mgs(or is that just pointless?), and then I want to add something else after the dbol but not sure what. I'm planning on being on nolva the entire time and just increasing the dose during my pct.

Any advice is much appreciated, I guess I'm wondering mostly how the dosages sound and what else to add. I'm obviously going to be on supports and everything during my cycle.

Thanks!

[gixxerboy1]

that cycle will do nothing but shut you down. its completely worthless. Your taking a trt dose of test. So you basically shutting down your natural test to replace the same amount with injections.
also you should use an ai on cycle not nolva,
and clomid and nolva for pct

[YrRndFit21]

Ok how would you suggest I dose it then? and what about adding something after dbol?

[Bigd89]

400-500mg for Test. I would wait until your next cycle to start dbol, just to see how your body reacts to just test.

[warmouth]

Brutal! Why Dbol on first cycle? Why compete by 2013? Why do you think your an ectomoroh? Why not diet and train you balls off first?

[YrRndFit21]

400-500mgs per week? and no dbol? ok what else then?

[Bigd89]

Yes, 400-500mg a week for 10-12wks and split them into 2 shots mon/thurs.
Test only you will grow just fine if your eating plenty of clean cals.
Get some adex for your AI. Clomid and nolva for PCT.

[YrRndFit21]

Brutal! Why Dbol on first cycle? Why compete by 2013? Why do you think your an ectomoroh? Why not diet and train you balls off first?

Bc I read dbols a good bulking agent and it yields quick results. I want to get sponsored by next year, and if not, I'm giving up that dream, just train more casually, and focus more on my career. I do train and diet my balls off and I'm naturally very skinny. Was always the most skinny kid and class, and shrink very quickly if I don't train very consistently. Got a shoulder injury a couple years ago and lost 25 lbs in less than 2 months.

[YrRndFit21]

Yes, 400-500mg a week for 10-12wks and split them into 2 shots mon/thurs.
Test only you will grow just fine if your eating plenty of clean cals.
Get some adex for your AI. Clomid and nolva for PCT.

Ok I'll def get some adex and clomid too. I still feel like I should add something else to the test though...

[Bigd89]

Ok I'll def get some adex and clomid too. I still feel like I should add something else to the test though...

Its really your choice. Thats what it comes down to. Personally, I ran dbol with my first test cycle...and I loved it! If you choose too, stick with 30mgs ed for wks 1-4 then your test will be "kicking" in.

[YrRndFit21]

Its really your choice. Thats what it comes down to. Personally, I ran dbol with my first test cycle...and I loved it! If you choose too, stick with 30mgs ed for wks 1-4 then your test will be "kicking" in.

Alright, that's what I like to hear. How old were you for your first cycle? And Should I just use the test by itself after the 4th week?

[Bigd89]

Alright, that's what I like to hear. How old were you for your first cycle? And Should I just use the test by itself after the 4th week?

Your age. Yea after you discontinue the dbols, just stay with your test dose until your cycle is done. Two weeks after your last injection start your PCT. Your going to grow like a weed!

[YrRndFit21]

Your age. Yea after you discontinue the dbols, just stay with your test dose until your cycle is done. Two weeks after your last injection start your PCT. Your going to grow like a weed!

I know we all have different genetics and whatnot, but did you experience any unbearable side-effects? And do I keep taking the ai between the end of cycle and pct?

[Bigd89]

Just some acne on my shoulders, oily skin, Some water retention...nothing serious. I gained about 22lbs and kept all of it. No point in taking the ai after cycle and into pct(at least I didn't). And once I came off the acne and oily skin went away.

[YrRndFit21]

Just some acne on my shoulders, oily skin, Some water retention...nothing serious. I gained about 22lbs and kept all of it. No point in taking the ai after cycle and into pct(at least I didn't). And once I came off the acne and oily skin went away.

Ok so is it just a really shitty 2 weeks in between then? haha. And did you use any preventatives for the acne/oily skin? I don't have too much anymore but I am prone to that stuff. I was planning on getting on some type of system to make the acne/oily skin as minimal as possible.

[West Coast Winner]

If you done your research, and you truly are ready for aas. Then a test only cycle of test cyp at 500mg/week would be a very good first cycle. You would make good gains and really hopefully have a great experience. Just understand... a lot of guys try aas once, and can't just stop there. It is very addicting to say at the least. So you have to be careful brother!

[fit2bOld]

So now your going to take the advice of another 20 year old that shouldn't be messing with gear after getting the the best answer from Gixxerboy one of the most experienced member on this board.
BigD89 has no business suggesting anything other than what was offered by Gixx. he just gave you what you wanted to hear.

Your to young but if you must Test only is all you need.

[stpete]

Probably not what you want to hear, but anyone under 24-25 needs to understand.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.UDqoU9aPVjY

Not worth the risk IMO....

[Bigd89]

So now your going to take the advice of another 20 year old that shouldn't be messing with gear after getting the the best answer from Gixxerboy one of the most experienced member on this board.
BigD89 has no business suggesting anything other than what was offered by Gixx. he just gave you what you wanted to hear.

Your to young but if you must Test only is all you need.

Im 23, 6'3" nearly 260lbs roughly 16% bodyfat. I think I have an idea. No disrespect.

[YrRndFit21]

Probably not what you want to hear, but anyone under 24-25 needs to understand.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.UDqoU9aPVjY

Not worth the risk IMO....

All the greatest bodybuilders started cycling before 22....

[YrRndFit21]

So now your going to take the advice of another 20 year old that shouldn't be messing with gear after getting the the best answer from Gixxerboy one of the most experienced member on this board.
BigD89 has no business suggesting anything other than what was offered by Gixx. he just gave you what you wanted to hear.

Your to young but if you must Test only is all you need.

I'm taking gixxers advice too, increasing the dose and adding an ai

[fit2bOld]

I'm taking gixxers advice too, increasing the dose and adding an ai

No sooner than Gixx told you to add the AI and increase the dose you were right back at adding in the d-bol on some other 20 year olds advice.

And I'm 5'10 190 and 12% body fat over 50 and in better shape than you.

[Bigd89]

P90X sure does get you into shape. "Look like Tarzan lift like Jane" lmao.

[fit2bOld]

Love to see you at 50. And I did do P90 x for three solid months one time thru. That is one kick ass program thanks for the compliment. Might help you shed some fat.

[Bigd89]

When im getting around that age my main focus will be just staying healty and looking good. For now its get monster big and strong.

[Bigd89]

You only live once! Go big or go home

[gixxerboy1]

i hate when everyone compares arnold or some other pro. None of us know the health issues they may have. Also yes they made it. But what about the 1000's of other guys who said the same thing as you and didnt make it and then had issues. You have better odds of fvcking yourself up then become pro or getting sponsored

[stpete]

All the greatest bodybuilders started cycling before 22....

Unless you are them or their doctor you have no idea what condition they are in now. And if you take the millions of BB's in the world, how many of them make it to Amatuer status? Less make it Pro. And even less to a National. And even less than that a household name. And even less than that winning a title or even Mr. Olympia.

You like those odds? I wouldn't. Not trying to discourage but numbers don't lie.