test prop/ tren ace cycle

**sjwhite24** · 08-28-2012, 08:44 AM

Hello everyone. Pretty new to this game. I ran a three week cycle of tren ace 100mg eod last summer, I didn't know what I didn't know. It shut me down, and I was getting weird about injecting ( I am an iv heroin user). I stopped and started winstrol oral and had no problems, my balls bounced right back, maintained the results from tren and cut down w the winny. Now I have over a year clean, the needle doesn't bother me and just started test prop 100 mg/ML and tren ace 100 mg/ ml eod in the same dart. I staggered, starting tren a week before because it takes longer to kick in and I was told to run the prop one to two weeks after tren was gone. My real concearn is pct. Havnt decided if I'm going to do one or two months. I was told climid and hcg for pct. I'm already big through hard work and diet over last year. Just want a little boost, works been busy, can't spend the same time in the gym as I was. thanks for everyone's time.

**Fllifter** · 08-28-2012, 09:17 AM

Go read atominis sticky on all u need to know about tren . It will answer all
Your questions and more. It should be at the top of the page

**BlueWaffle21** · 08-28-2012, 09:21 AM

Sounds like you need a little more research man!! Def hit Atomini's sticky about Tren and all your questions should be answered.

**Lunk1** · 08-28-2012, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by sjwhite24

Hello everyone. Pretty new to this game. I ran a three week cycle of tren ace 100mg eod last summer, I didn't know what I didn't know. It shut me down, and I was getting weird about injecting ( I am an iv heroin user). I stopped and started winstrol oral and had no problems, my balls bounced right back, maintained the results from tren and cut down w the winny. Now I have over a year clean, the needle doesn't bother me and just started test prop 100 mg/ML and tren ace 100 mg/ ml eod in the same dart. I staggered, starting tren a week before because it takes longer to kick in and I was told to run the prop one to two weeks after tren was gone. My real concearn is pct. Havnt decided if I'm going to do one or two months. I was told climid and hcg for pct. I'm already big through hard work and diet over last year. Just want a little boost, works been busy, can't spend the same time in the gym as I was. thanks for everyone's time.

You need to do your homework my friend! Congrats for getting off the "horse"

**sjwhite24** · 08-28-2012, 10:15 AM

I absolutely have homework to do, that sticki was very helpful. I'm going to most likely run less test, and 1 mg a week of cabernet on cycle. I'll keep researching the proper pct.

**sjwhite24** · 08-28-2012, 10:15 AM

Caber**

**Capebuffalo** · 08-28-2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

You need to do your homework my friend! Congrats for getting off the "horse"

I think he stopped the tren not the H is the way I'm reading it. Am I reading right sjwhite?

**Lunk1** · 08-28-2012, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

I think he stopped the tren not the H is the way I'm reading it. Am I reading right sjwhite?

I sure as he!! hope I am and right and you are wrong this time Cape....

**songdog** · 08-28-2012, 10:23 AM

I dont know bro he lost me.

**Lunk1** · 08-28-2012, 10:23 AM

Otherwise...I don't even know where to start with this. A 3 WEEK CYCLE, TREN A STARTING BEFORE TEST PROP? C'mon...and the only thing the OP learned from the tren sticky was lowering test dose! I'm OUT!!!!

**sjwhite24** · 08-28-2012, 10:51 AM

Yes iv been clean from the h. Over a year now. I'm still reading, that sticky is long. I learned to lower my test and take caber 1 mg a week on cycle. I wouldn't b working out if I was still using the dragon I can tell you that.

**sjwhite24** · 08-28-2012, 10:53 AM

I learned what I wanted to know about on cycle, I'm concearned more with the proper pct. I am young I dnt want to **** myself up, I admitted I know nothing that's why in here and praying you guys do! It seems most do.

**sjwhite24** · 08-28-2012, 11:01 AM

And yes I was told by the person I get my bottles from to just run tren . Then I learned I needed test, after much conflicting info ( misinformed by the misinformed) so I got the test prop and started it immediately after six days on tren. I was told to run test one to two weeks longer than tren, not sure if that's true either, but the test will last longer either way since I'm dropping from 100 mg eod to whatever is reccomended . I think atomisis said 100 mg a week, so one shot a week or two at 50 mg? And I will most likely run this for about two months. Probably two bottles of each.

**JohnnyVegas** · 08-28-2012, 11:21 AM

Since you are running prop, you will need to inject EOD, not once or twice a week like you suggested.

**Lunk1** · 08-28-2012, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by sjwhite24

And yes I was told by the person I get my bottles from to just run tren. Then I learned I needed test, after much conflicting info ( misinformed by the misinformed) so I got the test prop and started it immediately after six days on tren. I was told to run test one to two weeks longer than tren, not sure if that's true either, but the test will last longer either way since I'm dropping from 100 mg eod to whatever is reccomended . I think atomisis said 100 mg a week, so one shot a week or two at 50 mg? And I will most likely run this for about two months. Probably two bottles of each.

Again congrats on your sobriety...not an easy task by any stretch.

Honestly since you screwed up your first cycle (3 weeks was way to short) I would recommended a test prop only cycle for 8-10 weeks.
Since you have started the tren and have already been running it at 100 mg eod I would suggest running them both together at 100mg of each eod. Do this for 8 weeks! Then YES run your test alone for an additional 2 weeks! Then proper PCT! Keep shit simple!!!!!!

**sjwhite24** · 08-28-2012, 12:11 PM

Thanks for the info and the Congrats link, life is much better now completely sober. The motivation and energy plus natural gains in the gym have been amazing. Can't wait to see the results from a successful cycle. And Vegas, it was reccomended 100 mg a week which seems really low but I do not have any grounds to challenge atomisis. So I would do 25 mg eod? And lunk I have only been on tren one week today, the three week screw up was a year ago. After which I stopped, switched to just oral winny and actually had decent results. I cut up and maintained what I had with just pushups, pullups dips and running a few miles every couple days. I'm lucky I stopped the solo tren quickly and bounced back.

**Lunk1** · 08-28-2012, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by sjwhite24

Thanks for the info and the Congrats link, life is much better now completely sober. The motivation and energy plus natural gains in the gym have been amazing. Can't wait to see the results from a successful cycle. And Vegas, it was reccomended 100 mg a week which seems really low but I do not have any grounds to challenge atomisis. So I would do 25 mg eod? And lunk I have only been on tren one week today, the three week screw up was a year ago. After which I stopped, switched to just oral winny and actually had decent results. I cut up and maintained what I had with just pushups, pullups dips and running a few miles every couple days. I'm lucky I stopped the solo tren quickly and bounced back.

LOOK! You are making this to difficult. Use the Test prop at 100mg eod. ( mon, wed, fri, sun, tues and so on) for 10 weeks total!
Do the exact same thing with the tren except 50mg eod for 8 weeks!

There are many different ways compounds can be run. With your experience level this is what I suggest...ALTHOUGH I REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD DROP THE TREN ENTIRELY AND JUST RUN THE PROP!!!!!!!!!

**JohnnyVegas** · 08-28-2012, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

LOOK! You are making this to difficult. Use the Test prop at 100mg eod. ( mon, wed, fri, sun, tues and so on) for 10 weeks total!
Do the exact same thing with the tren except 50mg eod for 8 weeks!

There are many different ways compounds can be run. With your experience level this is what I suggest...ALTHOUGH I REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD DROP THE TREN ENTIRELY AND JUST RUN THE PROP!!!!!!!!!

Atomisis recommended a lower, maintenance-only dose, but what Lunk recommends above will work just as well. 100mg EOD is only 350mg/wk, so it is not a heavy dose. Some guys do a minimum amount of Test just to avoid the sides of being shut down (per Atomisis' advice), while others use more Test. Both will work.

I didn't mean to complicate this by answering the OP by quoting Lunk, but I wanted to comment (and agree) with Lunk.

**sjwhite24** · 08-28-2012, 01:01 PM

Thank you guys. I def tend to over complicate shit. Just want to get it right. What would be the reasoning for dropping tren ? You saying its too much for me because iv never ran a cycle before? Im actually happy with my size, my thinking was to lean up a bit, while adding five to ten lbs of muscle. I was told tren, while obv extremely anabolic and androgenic will shred you w proper diet w minimal water retention. I'm only using test because its required w tren. I have more trouble shreddeding up, billing and strenth come natural.

**sjwhite24** · 08-28-2012, 01:04 PM

Bulking* not billing

**Lunk1** · 08-28-2012, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by sjwhite24

Thank you guys. I def tend to over complicate shit. Just want to get it right. What would be the reasoning for dropping tren? You saying its too much for me because iv never ran a cycle before? Im actually happy with my size, my thinking was to lean up a bit, while adding five to ten lbs of muscle. I was told tren, while obv extremely anabolic and androgenic will shred you w proper diet w minimal water retention. I'm only using test because its required w tren. I have more trouble shreddeding up, billing and strenth come natural.

Like JV said it isn't entirley necessary to drop your tren dosage. I really like the plain simple 100mg eod of both. Kinda idiot proof ( I sometimes recommend 1st time tren users start out at 50mg eod and work there way up to assure they can handle the sides).

**sjwhite24** · 08-28-2012, 01:11 PM

Okay, thanks again.

**sjwhite24** · 08-28-2012, 01:12 PM

You think ill be able to inject in glutes the whole cycle? No experience going anywhere else.

**Lunk1** · 08-28-2012, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by sjwhite24

You think ill be able to inject in glutes the whole cycle? No experience going anywhere else.

You should try a cpl other spots just to avoid scar tissue buildup. I LOVE quads! Delts are good for me as well. Just be sure to asperate please!

**Capebuffalo** · 08-28-2012, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by sjwhite24

You think ill be able to inject in glutes the whole cycle? No experience going anywhere else.

Not eod. Going to have to rotate delts quads glutes I hear traps are good. And pecs would be my choices.

**stpete** · 08-28-2012, 01:32 PM

Keep the test at 100 just like the tren . You're running Ace so no need to stop 2 weeks before the prop. 1 week is fine.

**JohnnyVegas** · 08-28-2012, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Not eod. Going to have to rotate delts quads glutes I hear traps are good. And pecs would be my choices.

Agreed. No way to stick with just glutes on an EOD schedule. I do quads, glutes and delts. I have hit biceps a couple of times just for the hell of it. Not sure I like it.