At 800mg/week of tren, the insomnia is KILLER! Beware!

[Atomini]

Many of you may know I am currently running Trenbolone at what is considered a high dose. Maybe I should have posted this in my stickied tren thread (or maybe even the thread on the lab i'm using), but I just want to make a shout-out to everyone here that my personal experience with tren at a high dose has caused insomnia to be an incredible inconvenience by week 4/5 (I am currently in the middle of week 5).

I've run tren before no higher than 400mg/week. Most cycles it was at 300mg/week. Insomnia was there but wasn't too bad. This time, my highest tren dose ever run so far at 800mg/week by week 4-5, it is really bad. I wake up every hour or two, tossing and turning, opening my eyes to glance at the clock on my night table. I go to bed at 10:30-11:00... I open my eyes and the clock shows 11:45, close my eyes again.... toss and turn some more, open my eyes... clock says 2:00AM. Roll over and try to sleep some more.... bed is soaked in sweat... 3:50AM. Get pissed off, get up to take a piss, come back and try to re-set myself and get back to sleep... wake up again, and clock says 5:somethingAM. Repeat: 7:15AM. Screw it, time to get up and eat and get on with the day.

And i'm really feeling it throughout the day now... fatigued and tired, very cranky and irritable due to lack of sleep (but controllable). The last 3 days i've had to take power naps during the day whenever I can, for an hour or two at a time, maybe 2 times a day. That doesn't even help too much. Gains are great, but man... Anyways, I've got some Valium on the way to assist but this is just BAD and I should have had that on hand at the start of the cycle. But I never expected the insomnia to get this bad.

Just a warning for you all if you are ever thinking of running higher dosed tren cycles! Below a certain point, the insomnia is manageable, but above a certain point... beware!

[Lunk1]

500 seems to be my sweet spot. A little insomnia but it's not every night. Maybe like every cpl nights. Off topic but how is that other stuff going????

[Atomini]

Other stuff, like the GW-501516? It SEEMS to be keeping my bodyfat steady, due to my high caloric intake. Bodyfat stopped going down a week or so ago, so I am thinking of actually dropping my cals to tip the scales in favor of fat loss with this stuff. I really should be gaining more bodyfat with what i'm doing, but the GW seems to be keeping that in check. Check my log to see. I don't wanna derail this thread.

[Lunk1]

Nah man...meant the stress you had. Hope things have gotten better

[ironbeck]

wow, now imagine having severe sleep apnea on top of it and welcome to my world my friend it seems like I have been up for a month straight.

[Atomini]

Nah man...meant the stress you had. Hope things have gotten better

Oh, yes, the worst of it is over, and i'm doing much better and getting back on track now. My friend not so much, i'm trying to help her cope with the fact that her mom is gone for good.

wow, now imagine having severe sleep apnea on top of it and welcome to my world my friend it seems like I have been up for a month straight.

Yeah man... the last 3 or 4 days have been the most ass-dragging sluggish lethargic fatigued i've had in a long time. And this only started about a week and a bit ago. Seems like the trensomnia really hits me hard week 4 or so. By week 5, its in full freaking force!

I can't wait until my sleeping pills arrive... I would kill right now for a good 8 hours of DEEP, UNINTERRUPTED SLEEP. UGH!

In some ways this is making me think to myself that its a good thing i'm limiting my cycle to 8 weeks, and i'm occasionally thinking to myself "I can't wait until this is over" lol.

[MuscleInk]

Have you thought about taking 30ml of diphenhydramine? Non addictive and a component of many sleep aids.

I'll PM you another product.

[Atomini]

Have you thought about taking 30ml of diphenhydramine? Non addictive and a component of many sleep aids.

I'll PM you another product.

Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride? Benadryl?

I've used it before, a long time ago when using Clen for beta receptor upregulation, and took it at night and knocked me the hell out as far as I can remember. I didn't think of trying it for trensomnia though... I have some on me, i'll give it a shot tonight! I need something to last me until my Diazepam arrives.

[MuscleInk]

Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride? Benadryl?

I've used it before, a long time ago when using Clen for beta receptor upregulation, and took it at night and knocked me the hell out as far as I can remember. I didn't think of trying it for trensomnia though... I have some on me, i'll give it a shot tonight! I need something to last me until my Diazepam arrives.

Yes, it's a component of Benadryl. It's what makes most people drowsy when taking Benadryl. NyQuil has a new non-cold formula called zzzQuil (I think). Main ingredient is diphenhydramine. Developed as non-habit forming sleep aid. I'd try that before taking benzodiazepines.

[Atomini]

I've heard Diphenhydramine Citrate is far more effective as a sleep aid than the Hydrochloride variant.

[Atomini]

Damn,.... I just realized, the only topic I forgot to cover in my tren thread is the insomnia! How could I have missed that?

[MuscleInk]

I've heard Diphenhydramine Citrate is far more effective as a sleep aid than the Hydrochloride variant.

Yes it is but the HCl form knocks me out at 15mls. Lol

[Atomini]

15mls? I've got 50mg tablets. When I used clen I would take 100-150mg at night before bed.

Typo?

[HitIt]

i can't tell a difference between doxylamine succinate or dyphenhydramine hcl (the two common otc sleep meds).....but i'd rather take xanax than valium as the half-life of val is too long and makes me groggy the next day

[HitIt]

15mls? I've got 50mg tablets. When I used clen I would take 100-150mg at night before bed.

Typo?

i think he meant minutes? but it takes 2 hours to put me out (otc sleep aids)

[MuscleInk]

15mls? I've got 50mg tablets. When I used clen I would take 100-150mg at night before bed.

Typo?

The zzzQuil is liquid, measured in mls. Recommended adult dosage is 30mls. I took 15mls and passed out.

[Atomini]

30ml of zzzQuil is = to how many mg Diphenhydramine?

[Atomini]

Never mind, I just looked it up:

http://www.zzzquil.com/liquid-sleep-aid/

"Active Ingredient (in each 30 mL dose cup or 2 tablespoons)

Diphenhydramine HCl 50 mg "

[HitIt]

the pills are tiny (25mg) and don't taste like jaeger

[Atomini]

the pills are tiny (25mg) and don't taste like jaeger

I'd rather take the tablets than a syrup lol. I'm the same way as you as well, takes about 2 hours before sleeping aids knock me out.

Well, its 2 hours out from my bed time right about now. I think i'll down 150mg Diphenhydramine HCL. I haven't used this stuff since my clen days about 3 years ago... i'm so surprised it never occurred to me to use this for my trensomnia.

[HitIt]

maybe you should try prami one day, that stuff knocked me the f out as well and you'd get 2 in 1 from it: sleep and prolactin control

[Atomini]

Nah, the potential nausea and vomiting sides of Prami keep me away from trying it. I love Caber as my prolactin control, it doesn't come with any of that. If Prami's only major side was drowsiness, I would go for it. I'm very interested in trying it but this nausea junk has me staying away.

[HitIt]

i guess i'm one of the lucky one as i never felt one iota of nausea. the only issue i had was the first few nights of getting used to it i'd wake up every few hours. it went away within the week and after that it was just sleep.

[ironbeck]

I'm currently on a concoction of (20min before bed time)(10-11pm) 20mg of flexeril(muscle relaxer) and 5mg of melatonin.....works for about an hr and half then just keep waking myself up almost every half hr...groggy...I don't want to keep taking meds throughout the night because its hard to gage things at 3am when you wake or get up at 4-430. sometimes I just get tired of trying to go back to sleep(I smoke so I smoke every time I wake) and just stay up for a couple hrs then try to lay back down.

[bigp87]

Atomini, Regarding the 800mg per week, is that the Acetate ester? How much test are you also taking weekly?

I've ran tren E at 300mg per week and the sides were fine. I'm considering running 600mg per week for next cycle which includes tren.

How much worse sides at 800mg pw compared to the 300-400 you run? What about the muscle gains?

[ironbeck]

Nah, the potential nausea and vomiting sides of Prami keep me away from trying it. I love Caber as my prolactin control, it doesn't come with any of that. If Prami's only major side was drowsiness, I would go for it. I'm very interested in trying it but this nausea junk has me staying away.

How do you know if your prolactin is high? concisely put

[MuscleInk]

I'd rather take the tablets than a syrup lol. I'm the same way as you as well, takes about 2 hours before sleeping aids knock me out.

Well, its 2 hours out from my bed time right about now. I think i'll down 150mg Diphenhydramine HCL. I haven't used this stuff since my clen days about 3 years ago... i'm so surprised it never occurred to me to use this for my trensomnia.

The diphenhydramine should work nicely without any negative sides. Save the hard stuff if that doesn't work for you. Really no need to take habit forming meds if the other will do the trick.

Let me know how it goes.

[HitIt]

I'm currently on a concoction of (20min before bed time)(10-11pm) 20mg of flexeril(muscle relaxer) and 5mg of melatonin.....works for about an hr and half then just keep waking myself up almost every half hr...groggy...I don't want to keep taking meds throughout the night because its hard to gage things at 3am when you wake or get up at 4-430. sometimes I just get tired of trying to go back to sleep(I smoke so I smoke every time I wake) and just stay up for a couple hrs then try to lay back down.

lol i remember being on flexeril one time for muscle problem but that stuff knocked me out like nothing else. i mean i couldn't take it during the day and couldn't understand how anyone could. did it help my pulled muscle? i don't know, i was knocked the **** out lol

[ironbeck]

lol i remember being on flexeril one time for muscle problem but that stuff knocked me out like nothing else. i mean i couldn't take it during the day and couldn't understand how anyone could. did it help my pulled muscle? i don't know, i was knocked the **** out lol

lmao............haha...my back spasm when i try to fall asleep my whole body does...she can't stand it...it helps.

[Lunk1]

I am sorry to hear about your insomnia but glad to hear things are better on the personal front. You are indded a great friend to this young lady.

[HitIt]

at least tell us your a/c is kickin

[Atomini]

Atomini, Regarding the 800mg per week, is that the Acetate ester? How much test are you also taking weekly?

I've ran tren E at 300mg per week and the sides were fine. I'm considering running 600mg per week for next cycle which includes tren.

How much worse sides at 800mg pw compared to the 300-400 you run? What about the muscle gains?

I'm currently running 100mg/week Test Prop with 800mg/week of Tren Ace. Other than insomnia, the other tren sides are not worse at all for me at this high of a dose, really. I tolerate a lot of things very well to begin with anyhow. Gains are great, up 12 lbs with maybe a 1% fat gain in 5 weeks. Total cycle running time is to be 8 weeks. Sometimes I gauge results by 8 weeks and extend it to 10 weeks. I don't think i'll be doing that this time around.

How do you know if your prolactin is high? concisely put

Bloodwork.

If no bloodwork, then pay attention to your sex drive. Specifically, these are some common symptoms associated specifically with high prolactin:

- Difficulty achieving erection
- Anorgasmia (inability to achieve orgasm) - THIS IS A BIG ONE
- Abnormally long refractory periods if you even can achieve orgasm
- Puffy nipples
- Fluid discharge from nipples / lactating nipples

[ironbeck]

Atomini do you notice that the sweating decreases the longer you are on tren? My sweating is down to just some collar sweat.

[Atomini]

I am sorry to hear about your insomnia but glad to hear things are better on the personal front. You are indded a great friend to this young lady.

A couple very bad things related to the situation ended up happening last weekend though, I never mentioned them in the thread I made in the lounge. Really really bad. Anyways, its in the past now.

[Atomini]

Atomini do you notice that the sweating decreases the longer you are on tren? My sweating is down to just some collar sweat.

Sweating seems to be on and off.

Some nights i'll get the night-sweats from tren, and others I won't get it at all. Some nights it'll be very bad, and others it will be mild. I have no clue what's going on there... beats me.

[ironbeck]

I'm currently running 100mg/week Test Prop with 800mg/week of Tren Ace. Other than insomnia, the other tren sides are not worse at all for me at this high of a dose, really. I tolerate a lot of things very well to begin with anyhow. Gains are great, up 12 lbs with maybe a 1% fat gain in 5 weeks. Total cycle running time is to be 8 weeks. Sometimes I gauge results by 8 weeks and extend it to 10 weeks. I don't think i'll be doing that this time arou


Bloodwork.

If no bloodwork, then pay attention to your sex drive. Specifically, these are some common symptoms associated specifically with high prolactin:

- Difficulty achieving erection
- Anorgasmia (inability to achieve orgasm) - THIS IS A BIG ONE
- Abnormally long refractory periods if you even can achieve orgasm
- Puffy nipples
- Fluid discharge from nipples / lactating nipples

I'm going for ten weeks.

My prolactin is fine then, I'm slaying the ol lady every day sometimes twice and nipps are fine . My letro is doing its job

[ironbeck]

Sweating seems to be on and off.

Some nights i'll get the night-sweats from tren, and others I won't get it at all. Some nights it'll be very bad, and others it will be mild. I have no clue what's going on there... beats me.

Is there any correlation to peak times after injection....or just randomly sweat? I usually have an extra fan on my side of the bed but have not had to use it for 2 weeks, I also crank the ac down to 67 at bed time...growing up in Miami the sound of the AC is always relaxing.

[Atomini]

Man, I have a fan on high next to my bed PLUS ice cold A/C going and some nights I can physically FEEL the coldness of the room like its winter, and I STILL wake up in sweat. I'll pay attention more to the peak times related to injection, but I really don't think it has much to do with that. Once blood levels on tren are nice and high and steady by the middle of the cycle, peak times in relation to injection don't matter.

[Sgt. Hartman]

My last cycle was a gram of test and 100mg tren Ed along with some mast. There were several nights that I never fell asleep at all. Benadryl, Tylenol PM, and Nyquil are a joke when running that much tren.

I was taking all kinds of stuff and it still wouldn't put me to sleep, it'd just make me not remember anything that happened after I took it.

Either deal with it or don't run that much tren lol.

[ironbeck]

Yes I have the ol lady climb aboard the iron train nightly that helps a lot...;-)