Finally have a question!

[BlueWaffle21]

So in a typical cycle without HCG one would do a general PCT of:

Clomid 100/50/50/25
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20

(I know this is up for debate but lets just use these numbers for the question)

If a person can bounce back quickly with this PCT and feel great in a matter of weeks, why do you use the same dose when using HCG?

If the HCG keeps your testes active wouldn't less additional compounds be necessary?

I'm asking this because the last week of my PCT I began to get chest pain and tightness. I had a small seizure and was on the verge of a heart attack off and on for the week after I stopped PCT. I'm now 2 weeks out of PCT and everything is starting to feel better, knock on wood! I looked up the sides of clomid and nolvadex and they could cause these issues, plus it's the only thing I changed in my daily routine. Every medical test I have been given has resulted in me being the poster child for perfect health so I can only find the Clomid and Nolva to blame.

Next cycle I'm switching clomid for Torem and adding HCG, could I lower the doses to prevent these issues from happening again? Any thoughts and/or suggestions appreciated!


Would love to hear what Swifto thinks!!!!!! Hint......Hint......

[BlueWaffle21]

Bumpity Bump Anyone!??!

[fit2bOld]

Great Question BlueWaffle:

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So you went to the er to get checked up? Did they confirm that you were having an AMI or a panic attack or did everything really checked out fine? If you believe you experienced some serious sides from your pct, first you need to be quite clear to define your sides. What were they actually?

[BlueWaffle21]

Issues Experienced:

Last week of PCT: chest tightness with occasional pain

First week off PCT: Small seizure followed by immediate BP increase and arm pain. ER cleared me for heart and head. A couple times since my BP has spiked with symptoms of heart attack and skipped beats that knock the wind out of me. Returned to doc and cleared as perfect. Daily waves, like a rush of energy through my body up to my head, followed by tingling in my lower extremities and cloudy head.

Second week off PCT (This week): No massive BP spikes but continued "waves" throughtout the body followed by lower extermity tingling and cloudiness in the head. These are happening less this week.

My family does have major issues with thyroid problems at a young age and hyperthyroidism would explain all these issues other than the seizure. I'm getting this checked out now.

As far as panic attacks, this is what the last doctor told me was going on and prescribed me some Lorazepan to take when I feel these issues coming on. This doesn't help at all other than keeping me calm when the issues present themselves.

Tongue has been going numb quite often too.

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how thorough were the docs investigating your symptoms? i assume you've got ecg/ekg and chest xr, complete blood count done? electrolytes? those would be the bare minimum.

next step, echocardiogram and some sort of coronary vessel assessment. CT angiogram or MIBI scan. or just a stress ecg, like on a treadmill.

EEG to assess your ?seizures. CT head maybe.

have you been discharged or are you still on followup?

sorry you've got me, swifto must be busy.,,

[BlueWaffle21]

how thorough were the docs investigating your symptoms? i assume you've got ecg/ekg and chest xr, complete blood count done? electrolytes? those would be the bare minimum.

next step, echocardiogram and some sort of coronary vessel assessment. CT angiogram or MIBI scan. or just a stress ecg, like on a treadmill.

EEG to assess your ?seizures. CT head maybe.

have you been discharged or are you still on followup?

sorry you've got me, swifto must be busy.,,

I've had 2 EKGs, chest x-ray, full blood labs for heart and head, and a brain MRI. I'm hopefully going to be getting copies of everything this week. The bloodwork for my thyroid is being worked on as we speak. Everything is coming back perfect everytime! I have the name of a great Dr in the area so once I can collect all my information I will be paying him a visit to see what he can make of the situation.

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it is probably good news that all your tests so far are normal. you may still need the 2D echo and stress ecg to be certain your heart is fine. and eeg for your seizures.

as for you next cycle, when you switch to torem instead of nolva/clomid, depending on your actual cycle, i would suggest you stick to the standard dose, and not a lowered dose.

[BlueWaffle21]

it is probably good news that all your tests so far are normal. you may still need the 2D echo and stress ecg to be certain your heart is fine. and eeg for your seizures.

as for you next cycle, when you switch to torem instead of nolva/clomid, depending on your actual cycle, i would suggest you stick to the standard dose, and not a lowered dose.

Appreciate all the help man!!

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anytime bro, hope it helped

[BlueWaffle21]

Was just reading up on Clomid and Nolvadex again. Clomid can cause seizures and Nolvadex can increase T4 levels. The increased T4 would explain almost all my symptoms.

Does anyone know how long it takes for clomid and nolvadex to leave the body after PCT?

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according to wiki, the half-life for both are the same, 5-7 days.