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    Lightbulb First Cycle - Cutting Cycle & Anti Estrogen

    Hey Everyone,
    Im looking to cut and build lean mass. Im about 158cm about 14.8 % BF...Keep in mind im also an endomorph and planing to bring my bf% to 8% under. Im not new to the gym but im new to Steroids . This is the cycle i will be using...Any inputs ? I'm using Nolvadex for PCT but what about during the cycle ? im still researching one for during my cycle any suggestion will be great. I'm sensitive to Gyno hence I need my esto controlled right from the start.

    Day 1 Clen 40 mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day 2 Clen 40 mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day 3 Clen 60 mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day 4 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day 5 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day 6 Clen 110 mcg / T3 100mcg
    Day 7 Clen 110 mcg / T3 100mcg
    Day 8 Clen off / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 50mg / Test Prop 50mg
    Day 9 Clen off / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 80mg / Test Prop 80mg
    Day10 Clen off / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day11 Clen off / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day12 Clen off / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day13 Clen off / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day14 Clen off / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day15 Clen 110 mcg / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day16 Clen 110 mcg / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day17 Clen 110 mcg / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day18 Clen 110 mcg / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day19 Clen 110 mcg / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day20 Clen 110 mcg / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day21 Clen 110 mcg / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day22 Clen off / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day23 Clen off / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day24 Clen off / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day25 Clen off / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day26 Clen off / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day27 Clen off / T3 100 mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day28 Clen off / T3 100mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day29 Clen 110 mcg / T3 100mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day30 Clen 110 mcg / T3 100mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day31 Clen 110 mcg / T3 75mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day32 Clen 110 mcg / T3 75mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day33 Clen 110 mcg / T3 75mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day34 Clen 110 mcg / T3 50mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day35 Clen 110 mcg / T3 50mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg
    Day36 Clen off / T3 50mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg / Nolvadex 20mg
    Day37 Clen off / T3 50mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg / Nolvadex 20mg
    Day38 Clen off / T3 25mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg / Nolvadex 20mg
    Day39 Clen off / T3 25mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg / Nolvadex 20mg
    Day40 Clen off / T3 25mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg / Nolvadex 40mg
    Day41 Clen off / T3 25mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg / Nolvadex 40mg
    Day42 Clen off / T3 25mcg / Tren A 100mg / Test Prop 100mg / Nolvadex 40mg
    Day43 / Nolvadex 40mg
    Day44 Nolvadex 40mg
    Day45 Nolvadex40mg
    Day46 Nolvadex40mg
    Day47 Nolvadex40mg
    Day48 Nolvadex40mg
    Day49 Nolvadex40mg

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    Welcome. You just gave me a headache

    This cycle is a wreck. What are your full stats?

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    Do not run that.

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    wouldnt run that if i were you.

    PS. you trying to cycle for stereo ay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Welcome. You just gave me a headache

    This cycle is a wreck. What are your full stats?
    What stats would you want pretty newb at this...Im guessing measurements ? Will have to reply with that in abit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bevsta123 View Post
    wouldnt run that if i were you.

    PS. you trying to cycle for stereo ay?
    This is the same cycle used by Zyzz

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    Quote Originally Posted by t-dogg View Post
    Do not run that.
    It would be nice to get details rather than just "Do not run that." ,Thanks everyone for your prompt response

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakava View Post
    This is the same cycle used by Zyzz

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    Who cares? And you don't know that.

    Anyway, this is not a good first cycle at all. You don't want to combine compounds so that you can identify the culprit of sides. Especially not tren on a first cycle. You need to understand how your body reacts to Test only for a few cycles before you start introducing compounds. No need to rush into this cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakava View Post
    What stats would you want pretty newb at this...Im guessing measurements ? Will have to reply with that in abit
    Age, weight, height and body fat

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    Another Zyzz wannabe from Austrailia. What else is new? Anyways, that is NOT what Zyzz ran. Zyzz DID IN FACT BULK, despite people constantly talking about him cutting and being shredded. You can cut all the time and have that much mass. Research, research, and more research! Good Luck mate! <

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    Another Zyzz wannabe from Austrailia. What else is new? Anyways, that is NOT what Zyzz ran. Zyzz DID IN FACT BULK, despite people constantly talking about him cutting and being shredded. You can cut all the time and have that much mass. Research, research, and more research! Good Luck mate! <

    One last thing: Where is Zyzz now? At 22, pushing up daisys. Be careful with anything you do. Whether is be AAS or OTC, moderation is key. You 'mirin bro?

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    Hahaha thanks Warmouth who doesnt want to be like the dude he was such an Alpha..Yes hence why i came on to a forum to get feed back and point me in the right direction.

    Zyzz had a hearth defect that he wasn't aware about... RIP

    hahah always mirin bro


    Anyways MY STATS ---> im 26, im 65kg , 158 CM , 14.5% body fat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakava View Post
    Hahaha thanks Warmouth who doesnt want to be like the dude he was such an Alpha..Yes hence why i came on to a forum to get feed back and point me in the right direction.

    Zyzz had a hearth defect that he wasn't aware about... RIP

    hahah always mirin bro


    Anyways MY STATS ---> im 26, im 65kg , 158 CM , 14.5% body fat
    Test E @ 500mg every week. Pinned twice per week. (mon/thurs) - 12 weeks.
    Adex @ .25 every other day from 1st to last injection. This will control elevated estrogen levels.
    HCG @ 250iu twice weekly on cycle. This will speed up recovery and prevent testicular atrophy.
    2 weeks after last injection you will need to perform your PCT of clomid 100/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20

    Remember, you cut and bulk with diet, not gear. Check the nutrition section for help in that dept.

    Best of luck to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Test E @ 500mg every week. Pinned twice per week. (mon/thurs) - 12 weeks.
    Adex @ .25 every other day from 1st to last injection. This will control elevated estrogen levels.
    HCG @ 250iu twice weekly on cycle. This will speed up recovery and prevent testicular atrophy.
    2 weeks after last injection you will need to perform your PCT of clomid 100/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20

    Remember, you cut and bulk with diet, not gear. Check the nutrition section for help in that dept.

    Best of luck to you.
    You forgot to mention for this zyzz wana be kid its pointless for him to cycle. his 65kg think thats like 140lbs or close to it. this kid isnt awear that even if he cycles he wont get any gains with his diet (which he clearly doesnt have)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakava View Post
    Hahaha thanks Warmouth who doesnt want to be like the dude he was such an Alpha..Yes hence why i came on to a forum to get feed back and point me in the right direction.

    Zyzz had a hearth defect that he wasn't aware about... RIP

    hahah always mirin bro


    Anyways MY STATS ---> im 26, im 65kg , 158 CM , 14.5% body fat
    Its kind of funny how Zyzz use to go on about his superior genetics were yet he dies from a "undiagnosed" genetic heard disease. never the less RIP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bevsta123 View Post
    You forgot to mention for this zyzz wana be kid its pointless for him to cycle. his 65kg think thats like 140lbs or close to it. this kid isnt awear that even if he cycles he wont get any gains with his diet (which he clearly doesnt have)
    he's 5ft tall, sparky.

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    austinite is right with the cycle beginner cycle you are given.

    also run a PCT 14 days after your last pin.

    nolva 40/20/20/20
    clomid 50/50/50/50

    goodluck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakava View Post
    It would be nice to get details rather than just "Do not run that." ,Thanks everyone for your prompt response

    OK.

    1) clen isnt ran right and is at weird doses.

    2) First cycle is better to run test e or c, not P.

    3)The test doses are not stable and should be the same through out the whole cycle.

    4) Tren shouldnt be used, not for beginners.

    5) No AI is listed.

    6) The PCT isnt correct, nor should it be ran at the same time of cycle.

    7) Didnt see HCG .

    Think I got everything.

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