Tren e tren a

**Mrcivil** · 09-07-2012, 02:37 AM

Currently runnin tren a love it only thing I don't like is feeling like a pin cushion was looking at running tren e on my next go around what are the main differences besides it taking longer to get into my system and longer to get out ?

**minidorian** · 09-07-2012, 02:43 AM

With tren e you can do just 1 shot in a week

**baseline_9** · 09-07-2012, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by minidorian

With tren e you can do just 1 shot in a week

Most would still opt for 2 shots a week.....

Lots of people state that sides when on tren e are much less....

Wat are your stats?

Are you running tren alone?

**Mrcivil** · 09-07-2012, 02:54 AM

No running tren a and sust 250 on this cycle just wanting to find out the differences as this was my first cycle with tren a and the stuff is great I have very minimal sides little bit of increased aggression minor night sweats but nothing major I am only doing 300-400 mg a week pinning eod I don't mind pinning twice a week just wanted to know what big differences there were between tren e and a

**minidorian** · 09-07-2012, 06:11 AM

I love tren , I've tried tren e with geneza, but it's was underdosed

**measuretwicecutonce** · 09-07-2012, 11:07 PM

yes 2shots for long ester per week. 1shot + 1 shot = week dosage. tren e supposedly has less chance of tren cough. however I'm on tren a n didn't get cough yet.

**stpete** · 09-07-2012, 11:23 PM

Nicking a vein is usually the cause for the cough.

**Lunk1** · 09-07-2012, 11:27 PM

Pete...feel free to correct me if I am wrong but is that just a common belief and that in fact nobody is completly sure what causes the cough???

**measuretwicecutonce** · 09-07-2012, 11:29 PM

anyone will cough if u inject oil straight into a vein. ur veins also go to ur lungs. I've gotten blood will pulling the pin out even tho i aspirated n was gtg when it was in. i also pin the tren with the prop, n the prop going in first, so maybe thats y i haven't gotten a cough.

**measuretwicecutonce** · 09-07-2012, 11:30 PM

o ya long esters = less actual hormone.

**Lunk1** · 09-07-2012, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by measuretwicecutonce

anyone will cough if u inject oil straight into a vein. ur veins also go to ur lungs. I've gotten blood will pulling the pin out even tho i aspirated n was gtg when it was in. i also pin the tren with the prop, n the prop going in first, so maybe thats y i haven't gotten a cough.

You may have gone clear through one wich is why there was no blood upon asperation but it did come out when you pulled out.

I also try to have the test at the front of the dart. Not so much cause of the concerne of what goes in first but I have read that if the pin is wet from tren cough could occure so I make sure the test was the last draw so it's test on the needle

**Metalject** · 09-08-2012, 01:30 AM

To the OP, on paper there's not much difference between Tren -a and Tren-e. Tren-a is more potent on a per milligram basis due to the smaller ester but you can adjust the dosing accordingly to get the same amount of active hormone.

100mg of Tren-a yields 87mg of active Trenbolone
100mg of Tren-e yields 72mg of active Trenbolone
76.5mg of Tren-h (parabolan ) yields 50mg of active Trenbolone (mentioned in 76.5mg because this is how this stuff is dosed.)

Some also say it's easier to maintain stable and peaked blood levels with the Acetate version. This is due to the Trenbolone Enanthate releasing a spike of Tren within the first 48hrs after the injection and then leveling off and continuing to release the hormone for the next several days after the single injection. This is a trait held by all Enanthate based compounds and is why the Testoviron Enanthate/Propionate mixture fell out of popularity among HRT prescription plans.

Other than that, the benefits will appear faster with Tren-a (obviously) and side-effects do seem to be easier to control with this version. Just an idea, I don't know what size needle you're using but a lot of guys use needles that are much larger than they actually need. Use the smallest needle you can get away with and frequent injections won't bother you nearly as much.
If you aspirate and no blood fills the syringe but then blood comes out after you pull the needle out this isn't surprising. Think about it, you just pierced your skin.

Tren Cough comments:

You can get "Tren Cough" with just about any steroid . It's simply talked about with Tren a lot due to the fact that it's a little more intense with Tren than other steroids . You can have the same cough injecting testosterone .

You can also have an Tren cough episode even if you aspirate and no blood fills up in the syringe. You pierce the skin, as the needle goes in you pass through a blood vessel and then inject. No blood filled the syringe because you passed through it but it's still open under the skin. You inject and some of the oil seeps into the pierced area...result, violent coughing.

**Lunk1** · 09-08-2012, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

To the OP, on paper there's not much difference between Tren -a and Tren-e. Tren-a is more potent on a per milligram basis due to the smaller ester but you can adjust the dosing accordingly to get the same amount of active hormone.

100mg of Tren-a yields 87mg of active Trenbolone
100mg of Tren-e yields 72mg of active Trenbolone
76.5mg of Tren-h (parabolan ) yields 50mg of active Trenbolone (mentioned in 76.5mg because this is how this stuff is dosed.)

Some also say it's easier to maintain stable and peaked blood levels with the Acetate version. This is due to the Trenbolone Enanthate releasing a spike of Tren within the first 48hrs after the injection and then leveling off and continuing to release the hormone for the next several days after the single injection. This is a trait held by all Enanthate based compounds and is why the Testoviron Enanthate/Propionate mixture fell out of popularity among HRT prescription plans.

Other than that, the benefits will appear faster with Tren-a (obviously) and side-effects do seem to be easier to control with this version. Just an idea, I don't know what size needle you're using but a lot of guys use needles that are much larger than they actually need. Use the smallest needle you can get away with and frequent injections won't bother you nearly as much.
If you aspirate and no blood fills the syringe but then blood comes out after you pull the needle out this isn't surprising. Think about it, you just pierced your skin.

Tren Cough comments:

You can get "Tren Cough" with just about any steroid . It's simply talked about with Tren a lot due to the fact that it's a little more intense with Tren than other steroids . You can have the same cough injecting testosterone .

You can also have an Tren cough episode even if you aspirate and no blood fills up in the syringe. You pierce the skin, as the needle goes in you pass through a blood vessel and then inject. No blood filled the syringe because you passed through it but it's still open under the skin. You inject and some of the oil seeps into the pierced area...result, violent coughing.

Great post Metel...I still have never seen proof that the "cough " is caused by nickin a vessel. From what I have read that is a THEORY! Do you have any proof to this being THE cause. Not being smart...just curious if it's fact or fiction

**Metalject** · 09-08-2012, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Great post Metel...I still have never seen proof that the "cough " is caused by nickin a vessel. From what I have read that is a THEORY! Do you have any proof to this being THE cause. Not being smart...just curious if it's fact or fiction

I should have worded that as a theory but it's a sound one IMO simply based on past experiences of my own. I also remember reading Llewllyn talking about Tren 's ability to get into the lungs despite not hitting any vessel or lunge....however, I cannot remember where I read that to save my life so I really can't speak on it in any way.

**Lunk1** · 09-08-2012, 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

I should have worded that as a theory but it's a sound one IMO simply based on past experiences of my own. I also remember reading Llewllyn talking about Tren's ability to get into the lungs despite not hitting any vessel or lunge....however, I cannot remember where I read that to save my life so I really can't speak on it in any way.

I have read some THEORIES as well to argue both sides. My point is they don't realy know.

**Metalject** · 09-08-2012, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I have read some THEORIES as well to argue both sides. My point is they don't realy know.

True, but I think the overall point is that aspirating and having no blood fill into the syringe is not the end all be all when it comes to avoiding the cough. I think we can both agree on that. After all, it happens sometimes so there must be a reason.

**Mrcivil** · 09-08-2012, 05:47 AM

Thanks metal always enjoy getting an answer from you. With what your saying in regards to the enathate not getting into your system as well should I just run the acetate again and just grin and bear it with pinning eod ? Gotta admit I was fairly nervous about tren but been running it for nearly 3 weeks now and love the stuff defiantly going to run it again

**baseline_9** · 09-08-2012, 05:50 AM

I believe coughing is due to passing through a vein....

I coughed my lungs up once while pinning prop and when I pulled the pin out blood literally squirted out... Not a dribble... It actually shot out like 2 inches onto the floor

**stpete** · 09-08-2012, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Pete...feel free to correct me if I am wrong but is that just a common belief and that in fact nobody is completly sure what causes the cough???

Yeah, you're correct. But it's too infrequent to be anything else imo. I've been running tren since 2004 and lost track of how many cycles. I've ran ED and EOD. I've varied the mg strength. Injected hundreds of times, yet the cough, i've only experienced maybe 10 times. If the "cough" was common among users, it would be more frequent. And i've made dosages the same the last 3-4 times i've converted and only coughed once or twice. And there's been cycles i haven't coughed at all.

On another note, i've never experienced cough from test, test flu or virgin muscle pain. Hell, i'm always thinking of a fresh place to pin cause they're always so nice and smooth. hahah...

**ironbeck** · 09-08-2012, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by stpete

Nicking a vein is usually the cause for the cough.

Am I sick because I like the tren cough?

**Lunk1** · 09-08-2012, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Metalject

True, but I think the overall point is that aspirating and having no blood fill into the syringe is not the end all be all when it comes to avoiding the cough. I think we can both agree on that. After all, it happens sometimes so there must be a reason.

An agreement is made indeed! The only thing I have done differently and (knock on wood) avoided the cough since, is make sure I draw tren first then test so that the pin is wet from test not tren. Keep in mind I draw and fire with the same dart.