for a first time user

**steroidman** · 09-07-2012, 02:40 PM

i've heard from some that you should only use 1 your first time. others say stack from the get go.

should a first time user just run one prohormone, say tren 75 for 4-5 weeks?

also what would you reccommend for PCT, if any? i wear contact, so i don't think clem or whatev would work for me.

**Times Roman** · 09-07-2012, 02:54 PM

Mate,

what are your stats?

age = 20
height?
weight?
years lifting?
knowledge of nutrition?

first, if you are referring to the sponsor's tren 75, please know that this is NOT a prohormone, but a legal steroid alternative.

second, really no need to pct with a prohormone, as all a prohormone does is enhance your natural testosterone production, not supress it.

third, never take two unknown things at the same time. if you get a reaction, you will never know which one is the offender. additionally, how are you going to become familar with a particular compounds effectts if you take two unknowns at the same time?

**AXx** · 09-07-2012, 02:55 PM

Your 20 brother, diet and nutrition for you.

You dont want to mess up a good thing like I did. Diet and training your ass off will give you what you need.

Advice from others will be DO NOT DO IT

**Shsm** · 09-07-2012, 02:57 PM

Tren 75 from buysteroids.com? That's good stuff buddy. No PCT needed

**hyphy_beast** · 09-07-2012, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Shsm

Tren 75 from buysteroids.com? That's good stuff buddy. No PCT needed

haha

**steroidman** · 09-07-2012, 03:13 PM

TIMES ROMAN

yea.. i was thinking the same thing..

i'm 5'10 and weigh around 150ish
i was lifting for 3 years then stoipped when i was 17, so bascailly 3 year of lifting followed by 3 years of not lifting. and now i have been lifting for almost a year now.
i have a good understanding of how my body responds to food and i know how to put on respectable weight with alittle cell tech and semi dirty bulking.

**Shsm** · 09-07-2012, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by steroidman

yea.. i was thinking the same thing..

i'm 5'10 and weigh around 150ish
i was lifting for 3 years then stoipped when i was 17, so bascailly 3 year of lifting followed by 3 years of not lifting. and now i have been lifting for almost a year now.
i have a good understanding of how my body responds to food and i know how to put on respectable weight with alittle cell tech and semi dirty bulking.

What's your diet like, man? What supplements do you take? Let's get you on the right track.

**JWP806** · 09-07-2012, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by steroidman

TIMES ROMAN

yea.. i was thinking the same thing..

i'm 5'10 and weigh around 150ish
i was lifting for 3 years then stoipped when i was 17, so bascailly 3 year of lifting followed by 3 years of not lifting. and now i have been lifting for almost a year now.
i have a good understanding of how my body responds to food and i know how to put on respectable weight with alittle cell tech and semi dirty bulking.

I think it's safe to say that you DO NOT know how to put on weight if you are 5'10 150. Steroids shouldn't even be on your brain, steroidman. Eat!

**steroidman** · 09-07-2012, 03:29 PM

well just recently i've started bulking and taking cell tech, and it's working.. haven't been on a scale, cause i don't have one, but i've gained alot of size and strength. i know some of it is temporary from the creatine, but still.

anyways.. the reason i'm so light after working out for nearly a year, was because i wasn't taking it seriously. i would go to the gmy for 20 minutes, do 1 compound exercise followed by one isloation. I pretty much did military press and lateral raises exclusively.

now im traing it all. i honestly know what im doing. im makin good gains. i just wanted to know to know how im supposed to take prohormones. PCT. no PCT? take as the box directs, or less? i didn't want to stroll into GNC/ an interent store, buy a product from bum fuk egypt, and then take it incorrectly and learn the hard way.

**steroidman** · 09-07-2012, 03:35 PM

i just recenlty started bulking and it's been working. before i would go to the gym once or twice a week. i was going for a shredded look. i know how to bulk.

im not even planning on taking any prohormones now. it's going to be months down the road when i weigh 160-170lbs

**Shsm** · 09-07-2012, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by steroidman

well just recently i've started bulking and taking cell tech, and it's working.. haven't been on a scale, cause i don't have one, but i've gained alot of size and strength. i know some of it is temporary from the creatine, but still. Celltech is bullshit. All it is is creatine loaded with sugar to spike insulin to give you fat mass. Invest in regular Creatine Monohydrate from Optimum Nutrition instead.

anyways.. the reason i'm so light after working out for nearly a year, was because i wasn't taking it seriously. i would go to the gmy for 20 minutes, do 1 compound exercise followed by one isloation. I pretty much did military press and lateral raises exclusively.

now im traing it all. i honestly know what im doing.im makin good gains. NO THE **** YOU DON'T! You have a shitty workout routine, without a doubt, but we'll get to that later.

i just wanted to know to know how im supposed to take prohormones. You don't need prohormones at your age and with your knowledge you're bound to **** yourself up for life.

PCT. no PCT? take as the box directs, or less? i didn't want to stroll into GNC/ an interent store, buy a product from bum fuk egypt, and then take it incorrectly and learn the hard way.

Now, how about that diet?

**Shsm** · 09-07-2012, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by steroidman

i just recenlty started bulking and it's been working. before i would go to the gym once or twice a week. i was going for a shredded look. i know how to bulk.

im not even planning on taking any prohormones now. it's going to be months down the road when i weigh 160-170lbs

Oh, you do? Please, once again, list your diet.

**Ares101** · 09-07-2012, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Shsm

Now, how about that diet?

No need to flame the young lad, hes here asking for advice not to get bashed because in his eyes he has a good diet... He's young, most young kids will state they have a good bulk when once they talk to 405 they realize it's far from it. Let's just give some civil advice and ask to see his diet do we can help him not flame him... And I'm talking about the red font in your quote from him

**Times Roman** · 09-07-2012, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Ares101

No need to flame the young lad, hes here asking for advice not to get bashed because in his eyes he has a good diet... He's young, most young kids will state they have a good bulk when once they talk to 405 they realize it's far from it. Let's just give some civil advice and ask to see his diet do we can help him not flame him... And I'm talking about the red font in your quote from him

Agree.

We were all newbs once, and some still are. Pretty hard to teach someone if they are feeling defensive because others are being harsh.

**Shsm** · 09-07-2012, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Ares101

No need to flame the young lad

Originally Posted by Times Roman

Agree.

We were all newbs once, and some still are. Pretty hard to teach someone if they are feeling defensive because others are being harsh.

You both are completely right, I'm just trying to help OP before he messes himself up. I was being a little too harsh. Sorry fellas.

**songdog** · 09-07-2012, 05:05 PM

Hey bro just go to your diet section.Post your diet with macros and they will help.Believe me everyone thinks their diet is good until gbrice gets done with it.So dont feel bad if you are one of us on that

**7JS** · 09-07-2012, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Shsm

Now, how about that diet?

Hahahaha

**steroidman** · 09-07-2012, 05:29 PM

shsm

the thing is, when i started working out in highscool, i scaled up to 180lbs, below 10%bf. I never maxed but i got incline press up to 225 for 3 reps (was more than 10%bf at that time lol) could have got bigger, but i honestly was disgusted by how big i got, and that's one of the reason i stopped working out... i had a weird body image back then

anyways.. this was all done with good ol cell tech and muscle milk. whether or not i know how to eat is irrelevant.

I am just trying to get a variety of different suggestions to compare and contrast, to have when i decide to make the big leap. There are people that tell me they just bought the prohormones and took as directed and got results, without any side effects. That's what i ultimately will do when i decide it's the right time. all this "you don't know what you're getting yourself into kid" talk isn't serving any purpose, unless it's intended to boost your own ego.

i just want to talk to people who've taken prohormones, hear their approach, success, ect.

**cel89** · 09-07-2012, 05:31 PM

tren 75,

75mg tren eod your g2g

**steroidman** · 09-07-2012, 05:33 PM

g2g?

**Shsm** · 09-07-2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by steroidman

g2g?

Good to go. If you're fixated on cycling, go ahead and run it. buysteroids.com

**steroidman** · 09-07-2012, 05:55 PM

have you took it yourself?

**Times Roman** · 09-07-2012, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

Hey bro just go to your diet section.Post your diet with macros and they will help.Believe me everyone thinks their diet is good until gbrice gets done with it.So dont feel bad if you are one of us on that

yeah, Gbrice had a few things to say about mine the time i posted it. I thought my diet was clean because i was eating "Organic" Pizza and diet Coke!

oh well, good luck!

**Ares101** · 09-07-2012, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

yeah, Gbrice had a few things to say about mine the time i posted it. I thought my diet was clean because i was eating "Organic" Pizza and diet Coke!

oh well, good luck!

Man I love pizza and diet coke! Usually on my cheat day this will be one of the meals hands down

**JWP806** · 09-07-2012, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by steroidman

shsm

the thing is, when i started working out in highscool, i scaled up to 180lbs, below 10%bf. I never maxed but i got incline press up to 225 for 3 reps (was more than 10%bf at that time lol) could have got bigger, but i honestly was disgusted by how big i got, and that's one of the reason i stopped working out... i had a weird body image back then

anyways.. this was all done with good ol cell tech and muscle milk. whether or not i know how to eat is irrelevant.

You were disgusted that you weighed 180lbs and were 5'10? Bro you are just talking nonsense. Muscle milk and cell tech are just overpriced bs. Grab some protein, creatine mono and learn how to eat.

The fact that you said "whether or not i know how to eat is irrelevant" shows how far you have to go. Eating is the most relevant thing to building any muscle. You should check out the diet section. Calculate your tdee and put together a sample diet and post it there for critique. You will probably be shocked about how far off you are.

**steroidman** · 09-07-2012, 06:22 PM

JWP

righhhht. but im getting big with what im doing now. I actually did that whole phaggy time, watching your claroric intake, protein, fat, carbs, blahblahblah. it worked, but it also works when i just free style eat

i just thhought i would be able to talk to someone here about their prohormone cycle ..

**Shsm** · 09-07-2012, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by steroidman

JWP

righhhht. but im getting big with what im doing now. I actually did that whole phaggy time, watching your claroric intake, protein, fat, carbs, blahblahblah. it worked, but it also works when i just free style eat

i just thhought i would be able to talk to someone here about their prohormone cycle ..

Get the **** out.

**Times Roman** · 09-07-2012, 07:20 PM

there was a time, years ago, when i was taking a real good ph called andro. it's illegal now, for some stupid political reason. During that time, I had a decent experience, and made it up to a lean 250lbs with about a 34" waist. No idea about body fat %, back then, i just worried about waist size.

my point is this. I'm not sure how good the PH's are anymore. the chemists get more and more creative, and it seems what they create is on the market before any one can evaluate safety. Andro was a well known PH, and was fairly safe. but the stuff now a days pumps up heart rate, and does a number of things that are not healthy. Like the chemical in Jack3d that just got pulled. All the easy/safe PH's it seems to me have already been done. what we have left are "workarounds" by the chemists trying to skirt the laws and avoid legality issues. And the longer this goes on, the more dicey these PH's become.

just my .02