Which of these 2 cycles would you do as a beginner:

[Anabolick]

option 1: 500 mg/week for 10 weeks test e

option 2: 400 mg/week for 12 weeks test e



I have 20 ml of test 250 so I can't do the latter with 500 mg/week, what would you guys recommend?

[Anabolick]

possible benefits of option 1: shorter cycle so perhaps better recovery


for option 2: i'm running the test longer, and it would be the first time, perhaps I would be able to make some good gains those last 2 weeks? Although I hear it plateaus hard past the 8th week

[AXx]

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[Far from massive]

A more realistic plan would be 400 till it runs out probably 10 wks, maybe 11, since you will always lose some volume in the process. In case the bottles are slightly underfilled you definately don't wanna start pinning 500 a wk and find your on your last shot on wk 7.

PS You would be better off waiting another couple of years to ensure your HPTA is fully developed, however I assume you know this already. If not read up here on the HPTA and the affects of cycling early it may cause you to wait, even though your case is not extreme like soo many 17-19 yr olds who post here seeking cycle advice.

[hyphy_beast]

possible benefits of option 1: shorter cycle so perhaps better recovery

for option 2: i'm running the test longer, and it would be the first time, perhaps I would be able to make some good gains those last 2 weeks? Although I hear it plateaus hard past the 8th week

From what I've researched and experienced, i would go 12 weeks at 400 for the best gains. I did an 8 week cycle at 400 before and I wished I'd run it a Lil longer. But it was my first cycle so i was playing it safe. I'm sure some more experienced users will know best tho

[Anabolick]

A more realistic plan would be 400 till it runs out probably 10 wks, maybe 11, since you will always lose some volume in the process. In case the bottles are slightly underfilled you definately don't wanna start pinning 500 a wk and find your on your last shot on wk 7.

PS You would be better off waiting another couple of years to ensure your HPTA is fully developed, however I assume you know this already. If not read up here on the HPTA and the affects of cycling early it may cause you to wait, even though your case is not extreme like soo many 17-19 yr olds who post here seeking cycle advice.

Interesting... I'm using Syn's gear and all the reviews praise the AAS as Gtg. Highly doubt I would be missing 1500 mg of test lol! Is it common to get underdosed gear like that? Phukt up. :/


Do you guys frequently get underdosed gear?

[Far from massive]

I think you are missing what I am saying. Even if a vial has exactly 10 ml in it, if you start doing 1 ml shots when you get to your 10th one you will often find there is very little left.

This is for several reasons,

One; You will never get all the oil out of the vial.

Two; You will never completly empty a syringe, for this reason syringe manufacturers account for this loss by making the first barrel marking at the 0 point and the first quantity marking back to the point that when you fully depress the plunger it will deliver the amoutn indicated on the barrel marking. If you look at a common 3 ml/cc barrel you can clearly see that you have a line, then your first actual 1/10 ml/cc marking.

On a 3 ml/cc syringe this loss per shot is about .06 ml so after 9 shots you will have lost .54 ml then figure another .2 ml that will be left in the vial and you can see that if you do 10 shots per vial your 10th shot would only contain .26 ml.....


If the bottle is even slightly underfilled then the problem will be that much worse.

Hope this clears it up for you.

[BlueWaffle21]

Interesting... I'm using Syn's gear and all the reviews praise the AAS as Gtg. Highly doubt I would be missing 1500 mg of test lol! Is it common to get underdosed gear like that? Phukt up. :/


Do you guys frequently get underdosed gear?

You lose a little bit through the pinning process, especially as a noob. Why not get an extra vial? I ran a 12 week cycle and didn't see too much progress after 10 weeks so 10 weeks at 500mg should be suffice. What AI and PCT do you have in place? HCG ?

[BlueWaffle21]

I think you are missing what I am saying. Even if a vial has exactly 10 ml in it, if you start doing 1 ml shots when you get to your 10th one you will often find there is very little left.

This is for several reasons,

One; You will never get all the oil out of the vial.

Two; You will never completly empty a syringe, for this reason syringe manufacturers account for this loss by making the first barrel marking at the 0 point and the first quantity marking back to the point that when you fully depress the plunger it will deliver the amoutn indicated on the barrel marking. If you look at a common 3 ml/cc barrel you can clearly see that you have a line, then your first actual 1/10 ml/cc marking.


If the bottle is even slightly underfilled then the problem will be that much worse.

Hope this clears it up for you.

You could always pull a small amount of air into the syringe so the full contents are emptied.

[Times Roman]

option 1: 500 mg/week for 10 weeks test e

option 2: 400 mg/week for 12 weeks test e



I have 20 ml of test 250 so I can't do the latter with 500 mg/week, what would you guys recommend?

After I was the right age (mid twenties), i'd pick the longer, lower dose cycle to allow me the full 8 weeks of benefits. remember, test e takes about a month to kick in. so if only a 10 week cycle, that means, effectively:

remember, the first 4 weeks really are not effective on a test e cycle:
8 weeks x 400mg/week = 3.2 effective grams
6 weeks x 500mg/week = 3.0 effective grams

so in this particular scenerio, my gut tells me to take the longer cycle.

[songdog]

At 22 yrs old you shouldnt use either.Your to young!

[Far from massive]

You could always pull a small amount of air into the syringe so the full contents are emptied.

Absoulutely true, however many don't (and of those who do how many account for the first marking and try to split the difference so they will only be removing 1 ml/cc on each 1 ml/cc shot?) and you will still loose some through other means, my point never think that you will get 10 1 ml shots out of a 10ml vial.

[Anabolick]

thank you 3 very much for your help! Didn't know I wouldn't be able to get all the oil out of the vial, hopefully the amount lost will be miniscule. And I did read up on the "air" trick with the needle, thanks for clarifying.

And can't argue with that math Roman. Really makes me want to take an oral to kickstart but it seems those are just artificial gains that fade away after you stop the oral dosage.

I think I'm going to start with 400 mg a week and if I plateau after my peak, I'll up the dose and finish the cycle early!

[that guy1234]

thank you 3 very much for your help! Didn't know I wouldn't be able to get all the oil out of the vial, hopefully the amount lost will be miniscule. And I did read up on the "air" trick with the needle, thanks for clarifying.

And can't argue with that math Roman. Really makes me want to take an oral to kickstart but it seems those are just artificial gains that fade away after you stop the oral dosage.

I think I'm going to start with 400 mg a week and if I plateau after my peak, I'll up the dose and finish the cycle early!

If you plateau, eat 1 more meal per day than usual. don't increase your dosage. You'll get more out of more time than the extra 100mg for 2 weeks. and you want the hormones in your body to be consistent, especially for your first cycle.

[jarudd23]

First off I agree with sondog your too young an should be training hard an making quality gains naturally an fairly easy at your age. But if your anything like me once your mind is set to do something advice from others is usually ignored. In that case I would recommend u get another bottle of test E an run 500mg weekly for 12weeks. As other people have said 20ml won't be enough. What I do is for every 10ml bottle I get I count it as 9ml. Then when I add the amount I will need for my cycle I always purchase enough without running out.

[t-dogg]

12wks @400mgs is the better way for test e. It will take 3-4wks to kick in.


At 22, id hold off though for your own safety.

[jarudd23]

An from my personal experiences of Test E I never plateau at week 8. That's just about the time its kickin pretty hard. 12 weeks Test E is optimal in my opinion. 10 minimum but preferably 12 I would recommend.