zero soreness after pinning.. normal?

**TexasGiant1177** · 09-09-2012, 08:31 PM

Pinned a cc of tren enanthate and a cc of test cyp one on each side of glutes, absolutely no pain/soreness. Quality gear? or possibly fake? pinned with 25 gauge 1"needle.

**t-dogg** · 09-09-2012, 08:33 PM

Sometimes it takes a day for you to feel it. Or you could just be lucky.

**TexasGiant1177** · 09-09-2012, 08:33 PM

pinned 3 days ago and had the same result.

**Lunk1** · 09-09-2012, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by TexasGiant1177

Pinned a cc of tren enanthate and a cc of test cyp one on each side of glutes, absolutely no pain/soreness. Quality gear? or possibly fake? pinned with 25 gauge 1"needle.

Can I ask why you are injecting both E and Cyp? Did you do this on the same day??

**TexasGiant1177** · 09-09-2012, 08:37 PM

TREN enanthate and test cypionate pinning 1 cc in each glute diff syringes.

**Lunk1** · 09-09-2012, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by TexasGiant1177

TREN enanthate and test cypionate pinning 1 cc in each glute diff syringes.

Ahhhh...why not use 1 pin??? 2CC in one inject??

**t-dogg** · 09-09-2012, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by TexasGiant1177

pinned 3 days ago and had the same result.

Thats good then. Steady hands.

**Times Roman** · 09-09-2012, 08:40 PM

I pin in my glutes and I NEVER get sore.

**TexasGiant1177** · 09-09-2012, 08:41 PM

have unlimited syringes and dont mind doing 2 inj's, but just curious if this is normal? i inhale prior to inj then exhale throughout inj. Have had no tren cough or soreness. Im hoping just high quality gear, diff source then i used my last cycle but i was used to having almost instant sorness from last cycle.

**Lunk1** · 09-09-2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by TexasGiant1177

have unlimited syringes and dont mind doing 2 inj's, but just curious if this is normal? i inhale prior to inj then exhale throughout inj. Have had no tren cough or soreness. Im hoping just high quality gear, diff source then i used my last cycle but i was used to having almost instant sorness from last cycle.

It's not a matter of how many syringes you have...it simply is not neccesary to pin 2CC from 2 diff. rigs. It is just creating scar tissue buildup twice as fast. As far as being sore. It has more to do with the type and amount of oil and how you inject than whether your gear is qulity or not. Some would believe (with prop) that LACK of being sore means the gear is bunk. This is not always true either.

Do not consider a lack or presence of injection pain as a determining factor in deciding whether gear is good or not.

**t-dogg** · 09-09-2012, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by TexasGiant1177

have unlimited syringes and dont mind doing 2 inj's, but just curious if this is normal? i inhale prior to inj then exhale throughout inj. Have had no tren cough or soreness. Im hoping just high quality gear, diff source then i used my last cycle but i was used to having almost instant sorness from last cycle.

AAS can make a difference. I had three 10ml bottles for this last cycle. First two bottles never sore. Last bottle every damn pin sucked...

**Lunk1** · 09-09-2012, 08:50 PM

Since you are way too young (19) why don't you lay out this test/tren cycle for us to review. You are really setting yourself up for some serious health related issues down the road including the possibilty of erectile disfunction (limp dick). You should reconsider this cycle at your age.

**TexasGiant1177** · 09-09-2012, 08:53 PM

Tren Enanthate 300mg/Week pinning monday/thursday 1-12
Test Cypionate 500mg/Week pining monday/thursday 1-12
Test Propionate 100mg e/od week 12-14
Turinabol 50mg Ed Week 1-6
Anavar 75-100mg ed week 8-14
Cabergolin .3mg on pinning days (taking b6 100-200mg a day aswell)
Arimidex .5mg eod
(have hcg on hand, but kinda split about it as it is suppressive)
PCT:
Nolva 40/40/20/20
have clomid and hcg on hand as well as letro

Diet is 4200-4800 clean cals a day. Macros split 500carbs/160 fat/350 protein.

**TexasGiant1177** · 09-09-2012, 08:55 PM

i know the dangers of AAS use at a young age, and aware that my actions have implications. Am an aspiring pro. Train with ifbb pro trainers, and wish to pursue this path. Any critique on the dosages/regiment is welcome.

**Lunk1** · 09-09-2012, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by TexasGiant1177

Tren Enanthate 300mg/Week pinning monday/thursday 1-12
Test Cypionate 500mg/Week pining monday/thursday 1-12
Test Propionate 100mg e/od week 12-14
Turinabol 50mg Ed Week 1-6
Anavar 75-100mg ed week 8-14
Cabergolin .3mg on pinning days (taking b6 100-200mg a day aswell)
Arimidex .5mg eod
(have hcg on hand, but kinda split about it as it is suppressive)
PCT:
Nolva 40/40/20/20
have clomid and hcg on hand as well as letro

Diet is 4200-4800 clean cals a day. Macros split 500carbs/160 fat/350 protein.

I read your posts from August and saw your pics...you are a big kid...no doubt. Is this the fist cycle???

**t-dogg** · 09-09-2012, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by TexasGiant1177

Tren Enanthate 300mg/Week pinning monday/thursday 1-12
Test Cypionate 500mg/Week pining monday/thursday 1-12
Test Propionate 100mg e/od week 12-14
Turinabol 50mg Ed Week 1-6
Anavar 75-100mg ed week 8-14
Cabergolin .3mg on pinning days (taking b6 100-200mg a day aswell)
Arimidex .5mg eod
(have hcg on hand, but kinda split about it as it is suppressive)
PCT:
Nolva 40/40/20/20
have clomid and hcg on hand as well as letro

Diet is 4200-4800 clean cals a day. Macros split 500carbs/160 fat/350 protein.

Well. I like to clean this cycle up, but I myself cant help since you are that age.

1) you are 19yrs old which I cant begin to explain why you should stop and wait till your 25.

2) This cycle is bad. Not well thought out at all.

**Lunk1** · 09-09-2012, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

Well. I like to clean this cycle up, but I myself cant help since you are that age.

1) you are 19yrs old which I cant begin to explain why you should stop and wait till your 25.

2) This cycle is bad. Not well thought out at all.

Tdogg...take a look at the pics he posted in August....

**TexasGiant1177** · 09-09-2012, 09:04 PM

finished first cycle in june. at 238lbs 15-16% BF. Sitting at 223lbs 12% BF got results from bloodwork came back extremely good. Breathing and blood pressure actually went down from when i was completely natty (diet has improved) was off the same time i was on and made some good shape changes and back growth during the 4 months. The only concern i have able the cycle is that maybe the test dosage is a little high for the tren . Also i know the a-dex needs to be dropped to .25mg. Curious of the opinions on the HCG as it is suppressive to LH.

**t-dogg** · 09-09-2012, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Tdogg...take a look at the pics he posted in August....

I know. I just cant in good faith help him other then say to stop the cycle. Maybe others will help him. Its nothing personal to him in anyway.

**MuscleInk** · 09-09-2012, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by TexasGiant1177

Tren Enanthate 300mg/Week pinning monday/thursday 1-12
Test Cypionate 500mg/Week pining monday/thursday 1-12
Test Propionate 100mg e/od week 12-14
Turinabol 50mg Ed Week 1-6
Anavar 75-100mg ed week 8-14
Cabergolin .3mg on pinning days (taking b6 100-200mg a day aswell)
Arimidex .5mg eod
(have hcg on hand, but kinda split about it as it is suppressive)
PCT:
Nolva 40/40/20/20
have clomid and hcg on hand as well as letro

Diet is 4200-4800 clean cals a day. Macros split 500carbs/160 fat/350 protein.

Was this cycle put together by you or your trainers? Just a curious question not intended to be sarcastic.

I'd agree about being too young but I won't beat that dead horse here.

Regarding injection pain, your trainers should have addressed this but still glad to see the post here. Everyone is different. Injection pain or absence there of is influenced by many factors and is not necessarily a measure of gear efficacy. Larger muscles tend to receive gear better but certainly wouldn't be immune to pain. I rarely have pain in my glutes and normally my quads respond well (except for a recent cellulitis infection). Smaller muscles are more prone to inflammation but again, ever person is different and pain to one person may be nothing to another. As already suggested, you could go months with no glute pain and then one day feel a lot of discomfort and nothing in your injection protocol changed.

Hopefully you are rotating your injection sites.

**TexasGiant1177** · 09-09-2012, 09:08 PM

i understand the logic, and highly appreciate the concern. i know the general consensus on the boards in regards to age.

**TexasGiant1177** · 09-09-2012, 09:09 PM

there is a full rotation going from both quad sites to glute/delt. Havent thrown the lat in there yet.

**t-dogg** · 09-09-2012, 09:10 PM

I will ask though, why are you running two orals? And running Test P at the end?

**TexasGiant1177** · 09-09-2012, 09:15 PM

test p to prevent me having to run the test cyp 14 weeks then wait another 2 weeks while the esters clear and can go straight into pct. Running the first oral to kickstart, then the var to soldify some gains and bridge with the prop into pct. Plan on sitting at 245-255 in december. Hopefully keeping body comp the same if not dropping BF.

**Lunk1** · 09-09-2012, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

I will ask though, why are you running two orals? And running Test P at the end?

I am assuming the tbol is a kickstart at the begining and the var is to harden at the end and the prop at the end is to get o the PCT quicker. I shouldn't assume but this is my guess