Tren E/Test E Cycle (minimal weight gain)

[Randy_Mar]

I'm looking for some decent strength with minimal weight gain (maybe 5lbs at best.)
I have a bottle of tren E (200mg/ml) and test E (300mg/ml)....

Would 200mg of tren and 300mg of test each week (for 10wks) be ok to run? I'm trying to stretch my bottles out for a 10wk cycle, and avoid gaining too much weight in the process. I know diet is key, and i plan on keeping the calories down, and do some cardio!

I know some will say my dosage is low, but I'm hoping its still effective. Any thoughts?


FYI: I also want to throw in 30-40mg of Halotestin during the final 4wks of my cycle. (if I can get my hands on this stuff)

[austinite]

Welcome.

What are your full stats, cycle and training history?

How many ML's in your vials are they 10 ML?

If you're only looking for 5 lbs, you could do that naturally. No such thing as a low dose of tren

[ghettoboyd]

first off unless you are a wizard or something then getting 10ml from a 10ml bottle is nearly impossible because of the gear that is lost in the pins not to mention what is still left in the vial cus ive yet to draw on compleatly clean..you will more then likely get 8 maybee 9 weeks...i think you would have seen more gains from running test at like 400-500mg a week so i would have bought 2 bottles of test...what are your stats bro?..have you cycled before?...running it like you propose will net you some sort of gains(minnimal in my opinion) but its impossible to really tell you exactly what to expect...

[austinite]

first off unless you are a wizard or something then getting 10ml from a 10ml bottle is nearly impossible because of the gear that is lost in the pins not to mention what is still left in the vial cus ive yet to draw on compleatly clean..you will more then likely get 8 maybee 9 weeks...i think you would have seen more gains from running test at like 400-500mg a week so i would have bought 2 bottles of test...what are your stats bro?..have you cycled before?...running it like you propose will net you some sort of gains(minnimal in my opinion) but its impossible to really tell you exactly what to expect...

Exactly.

[Randy_Mar]

5'9" - 180lbs (7-8% bf) - training for approx 12yrs. I've used tren -A 2 times, and tren-E 3 times.

Yes, they are 10ML vials. Actually i prefer no weight gain, but I'm sure i'll put on something. I'm more interested in the strength gain. I armwrestle professionally, so i need the power without the size!

[austinite]

5'9" - 180lbs (7-8% bf) - training for approx 12yrs. I've used tren -A 2 times, and tren-E 3 times.

Yes, they are 10ML vials. Actually i prefer no weight gain, but I'm sure i'll put on something. I'm more interested in the strength gain. I armwrestle professionally, so i need the power without the size!

Maybe try something a bit more mild. Test and Var can do wonders with good diet.

But if you insist on Tren, you're kinda cutting yourself short with the amount that you have. I think you'll be out just when it's starts to show its colors.

[Randy_Mar]

I think i can get my hands on another bottle of tren . Would i need more Test as well?

If so, what dosage would you recommend in order to keep off any extra water weight.

Also, keep in mind i'm throwing in some halo towards the end. i know in the past i've actually lost a couple pounds on this stuff, and had crazy strength gains! I just know its killer on the liver!

[austinite]

I think i can get my hands on another bottle of tren . Would i need more Test as well?

If so, what dosage would you recommend in order to keep off any extra water weight.

Not really. Lots of people underestimate tren. 200 can and will yield increased strength results. That's equivalent to 1000mg of test.

You plan on taking an AI? And what about PCT?

I'd drop the halo for now.

[Randy_Mar]

Here's a snapshot currently. I really have no clue how much BF. I said about 8% but it's a complete guess. I've never had it measured, EVER.

[Randy_Mar]

Not really. Lots of people underestimate tren . 200 can and will yield increased strength results. That's equivalent to 1000mg of test.

You plan on taking an AI? And what about PCT?

I'd drop the halo for now.

Yes, i plan on an AI. I usually stick to letro (small dosage because I'm prone to gyno) and maybe some caber - Then I usually hit nolva after.

[austinite]

Looking good Bro. Not 8% but certainly low. You'll def. see benefit from 200mg of tren . Get another vial.

[Randy_Mar]

Thanks! So if i scoop up another bottle of tren , what dosage would you recommend with the tren/test?

Also, will just 1 bottle of that test 300 be ok for the 10wk period?

[stpete]

Personally, i'd get another bottle of test as well and keep the test dosage where you have it or higher. 300 is fine but like mentioned, you won't have 10ml in there.

[Randy_Mar]

Personally, i'd get another bottle of test as well and keep the test dosage where you have it or higher. 300 is fine but like mentioned, you won't have 10ml in there.

So 300mg/wk on the test and 400mg/wk on the tren ?

[Randy_Mar]

I'd drop the halo for now.

Question.....Why are you saying to drop the Halo?

[austinite]

Question.....Why are you saying to drop the Halo?

Why do you want halo?

[Randy_Mar]

For the increased strength, hardening, and aggression (for my tournaments) ............without any water retention. Plus it helps keep my gains when i'm trying to cut weight to make weigh-ins.
With that being said, this is only if I can get my hands on some plus afford it. So I'm just weighing my options as of now.

I've used it twice before (just never on the back end of a cycle like this.) The two time before, i just used it by itself.

[ineedauser]

Aside from the veins... i'd say i'm pretty close to you as far as being lean. No way i'm 8%! More like 10-12?

Whatever you decide to go with... log it. Very interested!

[Randy_Mar]

haha, yea i'm crazy veiny! I use to hate it, but I guess it's a good thing! I'm sure i'm not 8%....probably closer to 10-12%. I have the worst diet on the planet....just have decent genetics.

[Lunk1]

Here is my suggest...IF you can't get more test. Drop test dose to 250mg, it;s more than enough. I am running 500mg tren /250mg test

I would also suggest clomid with your nolva for PCT

[Brohim]

IF you want strength and no weight gain I would do minimal test, let the Tren do all the work. I would do 400-500 Tren and 100mg of test. PCT Nolva 6 weeks and maybe low dose clomid 25mg.

[Randy_Mar]

Ok I think I will go with 400mg of the tren each week. Is 100mg of test enough, or would you think I would have less "sides" at 200mg?

How does clomid compare to Letro? I've had good results with a small dose of Letro. (I'm prone to gyno).

[Brohim]

Ok I think I will go with 400mg of the tren each week. Is 100mg of test enough, or would you think I would have less "sides" at 200mg?

How does clomid compare to Letro? I've had good results with a small dose of Letro. (I'm prone to gyno).

Clomid is for PCT use along w/ Nolva. 100mg would be fine it will keep your body functioning. You get more "sides" with Tren if your estrogen get's out of control. You could also pin everyday to minimize sides as that will keep your blood levels more stable.

[Lunk1]

Clomid is for PCT use along w/ Nolva. 100mg would be fine it will keep your body functioning. You get more "sides" with Tren if your estrogen get's out of control. You could also pin everyday to minimize sides as that will keep your blood levels more stable.

While I agree with Brohim about low dose test and higher tren ...I would stay at min. of 150 mg test. If you do do this it will dbl the amount you have available and give you the ability to run the test out 2 weeks longer than the tren.

There is no science behind my choice of 150 mg as the lowest I would go (just my preference)

[Randy_Mar]

Thanks for the feedback! I'll probably keep the test between 150-200mg.
Any opinions on finishing the cycle with halotestin during the final four weeks?

[warmouth]

Not really. Lots of people underestimate tren . 200 can and will yield increased strength results. That's equivalent to 1000mg of test.

You plan on taking an AI? And what about PCT?

I'd drop the halo for now.

Heck, stpete swears by halo for strength like for armwrestling. What would you think if he ran 400-500 mgs of test with dropping halo in in the last 4 weeks just for strength? Would that be milder than his proposed cycle? If he didnt want the size, what would you think of him running test a bit lower even and halo the last 4? I dont know the answer myself, but I am intrigued by it. For many reasons, including the mildness and lack of size. I agree test would be awesome, but I am just curious abou this.

[austinite]

Heck, stpete swears by halo for strength like for armwrestling. What would you think if he ran 400-500 mgs of test with dropping halo in in the last 4 weeks just for strength? Would that be milder than his proposed cycle? If he didnt want the size, what would you think of him running test a bit lower even and halo the last 4? I dont know the answer myself, but I am intrigued by it. For many reasons, including the mildness and lack of size. I agree test would be awesome, but I am just curious abou this.

Stpete??? He is very experienced. Big difference.

[warmouth]

Stpete??? He is very experienced. Big difference.

lol.I didnt mean it like that. I was wondering if the Halo would be less intense for this guy to use than the tren ? Not undermining anyone. I ask this more for my personaly curiosity.

[Randy_Mar]

I agree I'm not the most experienced user, but I've done my share. And I have experience with all that is mentioned. Test, halo,tren -E & tren-A, etc...
With that being said, I'm also interested in safety first! I really do appreciate all this help and I want to do this right!

I'm just shooting for the most strength with little or no weight gain. Just trying to find that perfect combo!

[Randy_Mar]

what about this?

week 1-10 - 400mg Tren -E
week 1-10 - 200mg Test-E
week 7-10 - 40mg ed Halotestin
and of course my PCT & liver protection.

OR...what kind of strength gains could i expect if I leave the tren out?

[Brohim]

Tren is your main drug for strength gains; you def. dont want to take it out. Above cycle looks good. Maybe bump Tren to 500 and Test 150. Halo is a good drug to harden you up and good strength gain's. Harsh on the lipids though, wouldn't go longer than 4 weeks with it and take w/ food.

[Randy_Mar]

Tren is your main drug for strength gains; you def. dont want to take it out. Above cycle looks good. Maybe bump Tren to 500 and Test 150. Halo is a good drug to harden you up and good strength gain's. Harsh on the lipids though, wouldn't go longer than 4 weeks with it and take w/ food.

Appreciate the input! I'm guessing with 150mg on the test, i shouldn't gain much weight (hopefully.)

Yea, 4wks will be my max on the halo. That's one thing i keep forgetting about halo (to take it with food!)

[Randy_Mar]

Regarding my PCT.....Would this suffice?

week 1 Clomid 50mg - Nolva 40mg
week 2 Clomid 50mg - Nolva 40mg
week 3 Clomid 50mg - Nolva 20mg
week 4 Clomid 50mg - Nolva 20mg

I also planning on running an AI during cycle (i'm gyno prone)

[Randy_Mar]

Anything thoughts on this PCT?

week 1 - Clom at100mg - Nolva at40mg
week 2 - Clom at50mg - Nolva at40mg
week 3 - Clom at50mg - Nolva at20mg
week 4 - Clom at50mg - Nolva at20mg

And I'll likely run an AI during my cycle.

[Randy_Mar]

Any recommendations on a liver support while on Halo? I've tried "Liver juice", but it taste like sh*t!