Liver support

**stevet68** · 09-11-2012, 05:20 PM

Currently taking Test-E and Dbol and want to get some additional liver support:

Liv.52
Liver Stabil
Milk Thistle

I have read pros and cons for all, anyone have any suggestions?

**austinite** · 09-11-2012, 05:33 PM

Tudca

**stevet68** · 09-11-2012, 05:55 PM

How exactly do you take TUDCA? in powder form? how much/how often?

**GreMos** · 09-11-2012, 05:56 PM

Alcohol will support that liver

**gixxerboy1** · 09-11-2012, 05:57 PM

Atomoni has a thread all about it

**austinite** · 09-11-2012, 05:57 PM

Read this thread... Atomini spent a great deal of time educating us all on TUDCA

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=liver+thread

**stevet68** · 09-12-2012, 12:10 PM

Thanks Austinite & gixxerboy

GreMos, already did many years with that approach, that why it needs so much attention now :-)

**ickythump** · 09-18-2012, 07:52 PM

I have previously read Antomini's entire thread and posted questions about tudca, specifically if the Amazon "build your own supplement" brand is any good......or where to find it.....if it's not the appropriate place, his thread i mean, I'm asking here, unless it's an illegal supplement (I've found no evidence that it is) then please inform me so I'm not violating rules.....thanks guys!!

**jimmyinkedup** · 09-19-2012, 07:20 AM

UDCA - ar-r
Ill be using it my upcoming cycle.

**ickythump** · 09-19-2012, 07:49 AM

Hmm...i didn't look there, thanks

**austinite** · 09-19-2012, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by ickythump

Hmm...i didn't look there, thanks

http://www.ar-r.com/ancillaries/urso...olic-acid.html

**Randy_Mar** · 09-19-2012, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

http://www.ar-r.com/ancillaries/urso...olic-acid.html

I see the UDCA (from RUI) contains 60 Tablets, 250 MG's each tablet.

Atomini suggests typical dose of TUDCA - 1000-1200mg/day before, during and after cycle

Is UDCA and TUDCA similar? Is so, that means at a dose of 1000mg a day, that bottle will only last 15days?

**austinite** · 09-19-2012, 08:19 AM

Same thing. Taurine in Tudca.

**Randy_Mar** · 09-19-2012, 08:25 AM

What about the recommended dosage? I'm reading 2 capsules per week on some sites.

**austinite** · 09-19-2012, 08:29 AM

Atomini's advice is right on. But you have to consider what you're taking. Winny or dbol will require higher doses where anavar wont.

**binsser** · 09-19-2012, 08:37 AM

liv-52 is best so its been said m8 ! ^^^^^ such a good pic in your avi austinite they get better everytime!

**Randy_Mar** · 09-19-2012, 08:38 AM

Thanks!
I'll be on Halo, which obviously will need a higher dose. Yikes, at 15days per bottle, that will get pricey.

After reading, this stuff definitely seems legit!! But are there any cheaper/similar options? (i guess liv52 is a distant second?)

**Juced_porkchop** · 09-19-2012, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by stevet68

Currently taking Test-E and Dbol and want to get some additional liver support:

Liv.52
Liver Stabil
Milk Thistle

I have read pros and cons for all, anyone have any suggestions?

NAC and UDCA come to mind.
I'd also rec the UDCA from ar-r , only one I know for sure, havent tested any others. but be ready to possibly deal with more hunger, not like with GHRP-6 but still a rise there.

**Juced_porkchop** · 09-19-2012, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Same thing. Taurine in Tudca.

ha interesting i thought i saw that before, I take taurine daily 1-4g ed with 0.5-1g ALCAR and I find it really helps the mind and body.
Love it.

**Atomini** · 09-19-2012, 09:55 AM

Found this thread too late, but seems like everyone here has pointed the OP in the right direction.

Yes, I reccomend TUDCA/UDCA. In fact, I would dispose of milk thistle. The other liver support supplements are decent (Liv 52 and Liver Stabil), i've used both. Ultimately, you could just save money by disposing of all of them and strictly using TUDCA. That is how effective TUDCA is at maintaining/repairing liver function while on C17 Alkylated AAS.

Dosing protocols i've given are:

500-1,000mg daily for simple maintenance of liver function.

1,000mg or more daily for liver repair if there has been significant toxicity and damage currently or in the past.

**Randy_Mar** · 09-19-2012, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Found this thread too late, but seems like everyone here has pointed the OP in the right direction.

Yes, I reccomend TUDCA/UDCA. In fact, I would dispose of milk thistle. The other liver support supplements are decent (Liv 52 and Liver Stabil), i've used both. Ultimately, you could just save money by disposing of all of them and strictly using TUDCA. That is how effective TUDCA is at maintaining/repairing liver function while on C17 Alkylated AAS.

Dosing protocols i've given are:

500-1,000mg daily for simple maintenance of liver function.

1,000mg or more daily for liver repair if there has been significant toxicity and damage currently or in the past.

I know Halotestin is pretty toxic. Would 500mg of (RUI) UDCA be ok to run during cycle? That would avoid me having to buy multiple bottles.
( I have no past or present liver damage)

**Atomini** · 09-19-2012, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Randy_Mar

I know Halotestin is pretty toxic. Would 500mg of (RUI) UDCA be ok to run during cycle? That would avoid me having to buy multiple bottles.
( I have no past or present liver damage)

I don't think you'll know unless you get bloodwork done and see your liver enzyme readings. If you don't have access to bloodwork (as most don't), if you know what you're using is a more liver toxic than most orals, i'd run 1,000mg + daily just to be safe.

**austinite** · 09-19-2012, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

I don't think you'll know unless you get bloodwork done and see your liver enzyme readings. If you don't have access to bloodwork (as most don't), if you know what you're using is a more liver toxic than most orals, i'd run 1,000mg + daily just to be safe.

^ exactly. Lot's of people assume all is good because they don't "feel" anything. Get panels.