**Masteron vs tren**

[baseline_9]

I have actually started a similar thread before but want to do it again

Ok, lest say for example you were looking at buying a load of gear and you have two choices...

Tren or Masteron..... Let's say the price was equal

Can you please post your experiences from both... I would like to hear from guys who have run both...

As far as esters please share your input also... Mast p, mast e, tren a, tren e.....


As far as I'm aware Masteron will produce less sides but also less gains. It will give a similar leaning effect as tren but the strength gains and size gains will be less....

As far as tren, we all know it's a beast, sides can suck, but gains are great and body fat melts while on....



Opinions please...

[stocky121]

i have only ran both before but ran tren without mast i would have say tren for me like.
stop been tight and buy both

[baseline_9]

i have only ran both before but ran tren without mast i would have say tren for me like.
stop been tight and buy both

I can buy both I can do it 50/50 but just wanna know if buying mast (at the same price) is worth it when I could just buy extra tren

[Capebuffalo]

Depends on what your going for. I have used both. Tren for strength and muscle gain.
Incorporated the Mast in when bf was low to give a harder muscle look and effect.

[baseline_9]

I've heard that masterons ability to make you look leaner by increasing vascularity is a nice effect from it too...

Although I got nasty vascularity on tren e the last time I ran it

[Capebuffalo]

I've heard that masterons ability to make you look leaner by increasing vascularity is a nice effect from it too...

Although I got nasty vascularity on tren e the last time I ran it

When I was prepping for my show a month out I wasn't ready. Two weeks of mast and it was night and day. Two more weeks muscles were hard and grainy. Bf has to be low or you won't see the effect. Test tren and mast clen and t3 is a hell of a combo.

[Capebuffalo]

If I could only buy 1 I would go with tren. Tren is all around awesome.

[marcus300]

Ive used boats loads of each

Masteron: What a great compound, I get a granite appearance to the muscles like no other compound Ive ever used, hardness and sharpness come on fast but you need low BF to see the best results IMHO. I do think its an excellent addition to a already great cycle but I feel its more of a finishing compound to give that edge and that pop to your appearance. Your not going to gain that much LBM but its a great tool to give you the edge with zero sides. Used both esters and it would depend on what type of cycling you want to run, both as good as each other IMHO.

Tren: Size and strength for me! Ive used alot of tren and had some bad experiences when using high dose tren within my SBC but Ive never grown so much when Ive incorporated tren. Fat loss, strength, size and aggression in the gym is ten fold but extreme caution is needed because of the sides. Thats why I only ever use tren on short cycles but its got to be one of the most powerful compounds out there and when you run it with a good stack results are outstanding. I like both esters but got less sides with Tren E.

Why on earth would you pick between them when they both need running together a good old test,tren and masteron cycle is great for size, strength, fat loss and overall condition ahhhhhh I can hear it calling me "Marcus come out to play again"

[austinite]

Mast is worth every penny. I've run both compounds. Agree with the above, the look you get from mast is next to none. And 100% on the lower BF to see results. With tren I switched to E myself. Only because of my schedule. Still got great results. If you can put up with the insomnia, night sweat and random fatigue, its worth it.

[baseline_9]

Ive used boats loads of each

Masteron: What a great compound, I get a granite appearance to the muscles like no other compound Ive ever used, hardness and sharpness come on fast but you need low BF to see the best results IMHO. I do think its an excellent addition to a already great cycle but I feel its more of a finishing compound to give that edge and that pop to your appearance. Your not going to gain that much LBM but its a great tool to give you the edge with zero sides. Used both esters and it would depend on what type of cycling you want to run, both as good as each other IMHO.

Tren: Size and strength for me! Ive used alot of tren and had some bad experiences when using high dose tren within my SBC but Ive never grown so much when Ive incorporated tren. Fat loss, strength, size and aggression in the gym is ten fold but extreme caution is needed because of the sides. Thats why I only ever use tren on short cycles but its got to be one of the most powerful compounds out there and when you run it with a good stack results are outstanding. I like both esters but got less sides with Tren E.

Why on earth would you pick between them when they both need running together a good old test,tren and masteron cycle is great for size, strength, fat loss and overall condition ahhhhhh I can hear it calling me "Marcus come out to play again"

Thanks man...

I too have been thinking about the test p, mast p, tren a cycle..... and is probably what I will be doing next summer


I think I will put most of my money into tren and buy enough mast to have a blast next year around summer time

[t-dogg]

What are the other pro's/con's to mast? Does it work in aiding in fat loss like tren? Doses normally are 100mgs eod right? What is the decetion time of mast?

I never used mast before and still super new to it.

Tren really doesnt work for my sport.

[gixxerboy1]

Ive used boats loads of each

Masteron: What a great compound, I get a granite appearance to the muscles like no other compound Ive ever used, hardness and sharpness come on fast but you need low BF to see the best results IMHO. I do think its an excellent addition to a already great cycle but I feel its more of a finishing compound to give that edge and that pop to your appearance. Your not going to gain that much LBM but its a great tool to give you the edge with zero sides. Used both esters and it would depend on what type of cycling you want to run, both as good as each other IMHO.

Tren: Size and strength for me! Ive used alot of tren and had some bad experiences when using high dose tren within my SBC but Ive never grown so much when Ive incorporated tren. Fat loss, strength, size and aggression in the gym is ten fold but extreme caution is needed because of the sides. Thats why I only ever use tren on short cycles but its got to be one of the most powerful compounds out there and when you run it with a good stack results are outstanding. I like both esters but got less sides with Tren E.

Why on earth would you pick between them when they both need running together a good old test,tren and masteron cycle is great for size, strength, fat loss and overall condition ahhhhhh I can hear it calling me "Marcus come out to play again"

i agree with Marcus
i have only used mast p before.
I love tren a.
I will never use tren e again. For what ever reason i do not get the same effects from tren e as i do from tren a. I've tried it 3 times and was disappointed compared to tren a

[baseline_9]

i agree with Marcus
i have only used mast p before.
I love tren a.
I will never use tren e again. For what ever reason i do not get the same effects from tren e as i do from tren a. I've tried it 3 times and was disappointed compared to tren a

I ran tren e and actually thought it was fake for some time as I only experienced night sweats at the time...... However after talking to a few other guys they informed me that what I was experiencing was not too unusually for tren e..... I was very vascular though and strength was up....

I will be going down the ace route this time tho

[Atomini]

I don't think you can compare Masteron and Trenbolone in a 'vs' match. They're just too different with different dynamics and different uses. Of course, Tren is far more versatile.

In references to the comments about Tren A and E, i've only ever used Acetate my whole life. I WAS thinking of having my next cycle be Tren Enanthate, but I am not so sure now that i'm seeing quite a bit of negative feedback on it. It would be the first time using any long ester in 5 years! Maybe I shall just stick with Acetate as per usual, but I am very tempted to try the Enanthate variant just for a change, and so that I can say i've done Tren Enanthate and have that experience under my belt.

[Gaspari1255]

Tren is way stronger. Mast will give you that "3D" look if your bf is really low. I used it at 10%bf last summer and saw very little.

Another debate, I say winstrol over masteron any day. The only problem is the god damn lower back pumps from Winny are unbearable.

[Lunk1]

I have run tren/test several times and this is the first time throwing in Mast (started yesterday) I have done Prop/Ace and prefer it but I am only able to get tren E so I stick with all three in a long ester. I am hoping this will be a great experience!

[BG]

From my experience Masterone has its place and thats in prep. Ive used a few times when just cycling and I didnt see anything different except hair loss. I probably cycled 6 times before trying Mast, high dosage cycles no less and never had any hair issues. My hair shed when I used mast at low dosages, but this time in prep I used a higher dosage, my hair hasnt stopped falling out and I lost a ton, not a little. I feel the risk versus reward isnt there unless used in prep. Used in a regular cycle you most likely wont even be able to tell if its doing anything. You could just run your tren a little higher or add some deca to it and get much more from your cycle.

[BG]

As far as tren ace vs enathate, ace is great for cutting with me and enathate for bulking. The enathate ester seems to give me more water retention. I get better results with ace at lower dosages then enathate, but if you crank up your test and run tren-e for 14 weeks the results are insane, but more test = more sides.

[Atomini]

As far as tren ace vs enathate, ace is great for cutting with me and enathate for bulking. The enathate ester seems to give me more water retention. I get better results with ace at lower dosages then enathate, but if you crank up your test and run tren-e for 14 weeks the results are insane, but more test = more sides.

This is strange, because Trenbolone should not provide any water retention at all, no matter the ester.

You sure you used a good lab that didn't convert from those fina pellets that contained estrogen in them as well?

[BG]

This is strange, because Trenbolone should not provide any water retention at all, no matter the ester.

You sure you used a good lab that didn't convert from those fina pellets that contained estrogen in them as well?

You never know.

[MickeyKnox]

I have run tren/test several times and this is the first time throwing in Mast (started yesterday) I have done Prop/Ace and prefer it but I am only able to get tren E so I stick with all three in a long ester. I am hoping this will be a great experience!

start a thread for your cyle with pics - always interested in tren cycles. they vary so much, it's incredible.

sorry for hi-jack Base.

[BG]

This is strange, because Trenbolone should not provide any water retention at all, no matter the ester.

I always thought when raising your progesterone levels you would also endure water retention, I get nasty gyno from tren, hence more water retention.......Ill look into this more.

[Sgt. Hartman]

My last cycle was test p, tren a, and mast p. First time with all those compounds in the same cycle although I'd run them all before individually or in other cycles.

Not to sound arrogant but I looked amazing, by far the leanest and biggest and most vascular I'd ever been. My veins had veins lol. My genetics are shit and I would never dream of competing but I can't tell you how many people, some of whom compete and look 100 times better than me, came up to me and asked what show I was prepping for.

My advise would be to run the tren as high as you feel comfortable and add the mast on top of that. IMO it's not an either or type deal, run them both and you'll see what I mean.

[ironbeck]

From my experience Masterone has its place and thats in prep. Ive used a few times when just cycling and I didnt see anything different except hair loss. I probably cycled 6 times before trying Mast, high dosage cycles no less and never had any hair issues. My hair shed when I used mast at low dosages, but this time in prep I used a higher dosage, my hair hasnt stopped falling out and I lost a ton, not a little. I feel the risk versus reward isnt there unless used in prep. Used in a regular cycle you most likely wont even be able to tell if its doing anything. You could just run your tren a little higher or add some deca to it and get much more from your cycle.

X2 ecept for the deca.

[Sgt. Hartman]

I always thought when raising your progesterone levels you would also endure water retention, I get nasty gyno from tren, hence more water retention.......Ill look into this more.

Do you get gyno from tren even when your E is kept in reference range?

I ran test at a gram, tren at 700mg, and mast (at differing doses) with no B2 agonist at all but kept E fairly low with AI and never had any issues at all with prl or prg ever getting above ref range. And had BW throughout cycle.

[scottroxx]

Tren is awesome, makes me a bit edgy thou...lol. Worth every penny!! I believe you would have to run some type of test with the Tren as it will shut you down real fast and hard!!! I am not sure if Masteron would qualify as a test?? As for Masteron, it would only be useful if you are under 10% b/f as it just hardens the muscle and the less fat and water between the muscle and the skin the better to show the results off.

[BG]

Do you get gyno from tren even when your E is kept in reference range?

I ran test at a gram, tren at 700mg, and mast (at differing doses) with no B2 agonist at all but kept E fairly low with AI and never had any issues at all with prl or prg ever getting above ref range. And had BW throughout cycle.

Im starting to think I take enough AI. I researched and found that progesterone is actually has diuretic qualities so it couldnt be that. It must be from estrogen from the test, it just seems like I get much worst gyno from test/tren-e then test with anything else