Should I trade my TEST E for Test Prop

[Anabolick]

I have 2 vials of test E 20x250 (ordered another one after my last thread)

I plan to start my first cycle very soon but I want it to be perfect so I'm wondering if I would get better results from switching over to Test Prop


Advantages: Test prop is a shorter ester so it will kick in faster
PCT starts much sooner after last pin so keeping gains will be easier
Steroid Profile and other veterans claim less bloat


disadvantages: Price (not a concern)
EOD pinning is a nuisance.

what do you guys think? Test prop or Test E? Preferably those who have tried both can pitch in...

[Shsm]

You're a virgin to pinning. Be smart and run test-e.

[Anabolick]

You're a virgin to pinning. Be smart and run test-e.

pretend that I'm a pinning pro who only cares about gains and maintaining a low bf and low water retention

[gixxerboy1]

Use an ai so bloat doesn't mater.

[MickeyKnox]

just run prop at the end of your cycle if you want to get into pct sooner.

[Shsm]

pretend that I'm a pinning pro who only cares about gains and maintaining a low bf and low water retention

More weight would be gained with E due to the water retention associated with longer esters. As far as quality muscle gains, they are about the same.

Prop is associated with PIP more as short esters have a higher melting point which is why it is not recommended as your first cycle.

It's entirely up to you and whichever you feel comfortable with.

Have a great first cycle man.

[BG]

pretend that I'm a pinning pro who only cares about gains and maintaining a low bf and low water retention

Lmao you wont be a pro for long if your prop gives you site pain.

[Anabolick]

Use an ai so bloat doesn't mater.

You will still gain water retention with AI, i'm trying to gain as little as possible without bumping up my adex over .25 eod.

just run prop at the end of your cycle if you want to get into pct sooner.

dang thats smart as hell, ty. I assume I should start the test prop 2 weeks before my last pin for the test e to clear out?

Lmao you wont be a pro for long if your prop gives you site pain.

More weight would be gained with E due to the water retention associated with longer esters. As far as quality muscle gains, they are about the same.

Prop is associated with PIP more as short esters have a higher melting point which is why it is not recommended as your first cycle.

It's entirely up to you and whichever you feel comfortable with.

Have a great first cycle man.

damn :/

and thank all of you guys for the advice


also regarding the PIP i hear that comes along with Prop, does that eventually fade away or will it be painful everytime? The gear I'm using will not be chit quality.

[capetown]

E for a nice controlled first cycle. I love prop and probably wouldnt go back but i do miss the first couple of cycles of E only. I could plan exact minute of pin and could spend the rest of my time focusing on food and gym.

[MickeyKnox]

that's correct.

[bp2000]

prop=pip=limp=crampin y0 style son

[bp2000]

cant get chicks hobblin round like a old man

[Anabolick]

E for a nice controlled first cycle. I love prop and probably wouldnt go back but i do miss the first couple of cycles of E only. I could plan exact minute of pin and could spend the rest of my time focusing on food and gym.

I see. EOD pinning does seem like it could be a stressor...



And what do you love about Test Prop so much?

that's correct.

Which part? That the pain from Prop PIP will subside?

[ironbeck]

Yea do the E first so you know what our getting into and what to expect. I started with long esters for convinemce but I personal have grown fond of the short ester.

[Lunk1]

Sure is alot of advice for this 22 year old kid!

[MickeyKnox]

this part........"dang thats smart as hell, ty. I assume I should start the test prop 2 weeks before my last pin for the test e to clear out?"

[MickeyKnox]

Sure is alot of advice for this 22 year old kid!

but yes you should wait a few years.

[Shsm]

Sure is alot of advice for this 22 year old kid!

Didn't even notice that! Whoops!

[Lunk1]

]I have 2 vials of test E 20x250 [/B](ordered another one after my last thread) You have nearly 18 weeks of test in the 2 vials at 500mg per week. What do you need 3 vials for when your cycle should not be more than 12 weeks anyhow?

I plan to start my first cycle very soon but I want it to be perfect so I'm wondering if I would get better results from switching over to Test Prop If you want it to be perfect wait till you are 25 or so


Advantages: Test prop is a shorter ester so it will kick in faster
PCT starts much sooner after last pin so keeping gains will be easier
Steroid Profile and other veterans claim less bloat I have done both and had no noticable bloat, comes down to AI and diet and the individual


disadvantages: Price (not a concern)
EOD pinning is a nuisance. All newbs should do prop 1st. If ya can't handle EOD then you shouldn't be pinning

what do you guys think? Test prop or Test E? Preferably those who have tried both can pitch in...

Post your cycle including AI and PCT please.

[Lunk1]

but yes you should wait a few years.

Didn't even notice that! Whoops!

Go read his post history...he has been all over the place with his cycle.

[Shsm]

Go read his post history...he has been all over the place with his cycle.

Op, yes, you should wait until you're 25 to ensure your HPTA is fully developed and it's only a few more years.

Considering you've only been working out for 13 months, and are 185 pounds at 6'2, you still have plenty to build on.

We know you'll most likely ignore this advice, but just make sure to have every aspect of your cycle perfect before running it.

Peace.

[capetown]

Sure is alot of advice for this 22 year old kid!

Lol. Im just going to make a signature that say" advise only valid to people over the age of 27".

[Lunk1]

Lol. Im just going to make a signature that say" advise only valid to people over the age of 27".

It's less about his age and more about his lack of knowledge and being to stubborn to listen to advise he has already been given in his other threads that outlined crap cycles

[decaDump]

What's PIP?

[Shsm]

What's PIP?

Post injection pain.

[capetown]

It's less about his age and more about his lack of knowledge and being to stubborn to listen to advise he has already been given in his other threads that outlined crap cycles

Faack. New sig" this advise is not for anyone under the age of 27 or dumbasses." better? Lol

[Lunk1]

Faack. New sig" this advise is not for anyone under the age of 27 or dumbasses." better? Lol

I like it...Admin should allow signatures like text messages and Emails lol

[Anabolick]

Post your cycle including AI and PCT please.

.25 adex eod and standard clomid/novla pct (cant use HCG this time)

and I have 2 vials because I was told would not be enough since most vials are underdosed and I would run out like a week early

It's less about his age and more about his lack of knowledge and being to stubborn to listen to advise he has already been given in his other threads that outlined crap cycles

what?

[Lunk1]

.25 adex eod and standard clomid/novla pct (cant use HCG this time)

and I have 2 vials because I was told would not be enough since most vials are underdosed and I would run out like a week early

250mg/20ML=20 shots @ 250 mg or 1 cc
500mg per week =10 weeks per vial
2 vials =20 weeks

Even with what can't be pulled from the vial and what is left in the pin this is more than enough for a standard 12 week cycle.


what?

You have not done enough research and have outlined some crappy cycles. You have been told several times in previos posts that you should wait. The above info is basic knowledge that you SHOULD know before you EVER dicide to ram a fkn needle into you ass filled with aas!

[Anabolick]

You have not done enough research and have outlined some crappy cycles. You have been told several times in previos posts that you should wait. The above info is basic knowledge that you SHOULD know before you EVER dicide to ram a fkn needle into you ass filled with aas!

Nice assumption but I didn't say I was going to use all the test in 1 cycle. 1 vial is 5000 mg and I need 6000 mg for a 12 week cycle. Plus all the oil I might waste because I'm a newbie + underdosed gear is why I bought a second vial.

[Metalject]

The idea that large ester based testosterone promote less water retention than small ester based is merely a myth. The testosterone does not become active until the ester is removed, regardless of the ester in question. Once you have, for example, 100mg of active testosterone in the body, it does not matter what the ester was that was attached to it once it was first applied. Long and short, there's nothing to support the idea that propionate causes less water retention than Enanthate or Cypionate other than years of bro lore.

[< <Samson> >]

A little young bro. . . This shit shuts your "shit" down < no joke. It would really suck not to bounce back. But, it is your body.

I liked Test E then prop for the last 2 weeks. Then jump into PCT 72 hours after your last shot.


Good luck bro!

[Lunk1]

Nice assumption but I didn't say I was going to use all the test in 1 cycle. 1 vial is 5000 mg and I need 6000 mg for a 12 week cycle. Plus all the oil I might waste because I'm a newbie + underdosed gear is why I bought a second vial.

It not an assumption it's fact! You bought a 3rd vial because you thought you would run short due to the info you were given in your last thread. You said so yourself! I hope your gear isn't so damn underdosed that you think you need an extre 9000 mg. Face it...you don't have a damn clue what your doing and you are just dead set on scrwing yourself up in the future.....knock you dumb aas out!!!! When you come back with some bull that you need to go in TRT for the rest of your life I will be doing this...

[< <Samson> >]

We sure have a way with words on here.

[Lunk1]

We sure have a way with words on here.

Make no mistake...if you talk to me like I am stupid you had better know what the fk you are talking about!!!!! There are a number of guys on here that make me look like a preschooler when itcomes to this shit but this kid ain't one of em!!!!

[Metalject]

It not an assumption it's fact! You bought a 3rd vial because you thought you would run short due to the info you were given in your last thread. You said so yourself! I hope your gear isn't so damn underdosed that you think you need an extre 9000 mg. Face it...you don't have a damn clue what your doing and you are just dead set on scrwing yourself up in the future.....knock you dumb aas out!!!! When you come back with some bull that you need to go in TRT for the rest of your life I will be doing this...

This isn't knocking what you're saying. More or less just food for thought. We know more than 20 million men in the U.S. alone suffer from some type of androgen deficiency during their adult life...we're talking about every day guys, non-steroid users. Now, add in steroids to the equation. If you're a guy who's taking all the standard message board safety protocols to heart, time on=time off, solid PCT plans, moderate doses, etc. even then after several years of repeated use I think a lot more guys will end up on TRT than realize it. I think the safest way to approach things is with a healthy perception of reality. If you're going to use steroids, if they're going to be a regular part of your life for a long time you need to assume TRT is a very real possibility. However, it's not like TRT is really a big deal...it sure hasn't affected my life in any way whatsoever.

[Lunk1]

This isn't knocking what you're saying. More or less just food for thought. We know more than 20 million men in the U.S. alone suffer from some type of androgen deficiency during their adult life...we're talking about every day guys, non-steroid users. Now, add in steroids to the equation. If you're a guy who's taking all the standard message board safety protocols to heart, time on=time off, solid PCT plans, moderate doses, etc. even then after several years of repeated use I think a lot more guys will end up on TRT than realize it. I think the safest way to approach things is with a healthy perception of reality. If you're going to use steroids, if they're going to be a regular part of your life for a long time you need to assume TRT is a very real possibility. However, it's not like TRT is really a big deal...it sure hasn't affected my life in any way whatsoever.

Wether or not he ends up on TRT is not my issue. Read his post history and tell me you still think this guy is ready for steroids!!!!! He knows about as much as the guy I am watching stand in front of the bar smoking a cig does about steroids yet here he goes. All fired up and ready!

It just pisses me off that when you point out to SOME of these ppl that they need to gather more info, wait till they are old enough, work on a diet and workout routine they try to lie about what they said in this or another post. It seems so simple but the fact that he OBVIOUSLY bought 60 ML of test E for a 12 week cycle is just one shred of evidence that kbacks up this guy is not ready!!

[Metalject]

Wether or not he ends up on TRT is not my issue. Read his post history and tell me you still think this guy is ready for steroids!!!!! He knows about as much as the guy I am watching stand in front of the bar smoking a cig does about steroids yet here he goes. All fired up and ready!

It just pisses me off that when you point out to SOME of these ppl that they need to gather more info, wait till they are old enough, work on a diet and workout routine they try to lie about what they said in this or another post. It seems so simple but the fact that he OBVIOUSLY bought 60 ML of test E for a 12 week cycle is just one shred of evidence that kbacks up this guy is not ready!!

I understand what you're saying. My post was geared towards the misconception I believe exists and not whether this guy should or shouldn't use steroids. That's all I was saying.

[MuscleInk]

Wether or not he ends up on TRT is not my issue. Read his post history and tell me you still think this guy is ready for steroids!!!!! He knows about as much as the guy I am watching stand in front of the bar smoking a cig does about steroids yet here he goes. All fired up and ready!

It just pisses me off that when you point out to SOME of these ppl that they need to gather more info, wait till they are old enough, work on a diet and workout routine they try to lie about what they said in this or another post. It seems so simple but the fact that he OBVIOUSLY bought 60 ML of test E for a 12 week cycle is just one shred of evidence that kbacks up this guy is not ready!!

It gets old fast doesn't it!?!

First thing I do before responding these days is check the profile. If under 25, I advise them once. If they blow me off or give me dumb ass excuses, I walk away. I'm done wasting my time with dumb ass kids hell bent on screwing themselves up because "my friend said" or "my buddy did this", or "my diet is perfect".....blah blah blah. Same shit, different idiot.

It's a clear sign the "kids" are back in school. I see this repetitive crap almost two dozen times a day. Arrogance + ignorance = bad outcomes.

Good luck to them.

[Lunk1]

It gets old fast doesn't it!?!

First thing I do before responding these days is check the profile. If under 25, I advise them once. If they blow me off or give me dumb ass excuses, I walk away. I'm done wasting my time with dumb ass kids hell bent on screwing themselves up because "my friend said" or "my buddy did this", or "my diet is perfect".....blah blah blah. Same shit, different idiot.

It's a clear sign the "kids" are back in school. I see this repetitive crap almost two dozen times a day. Arrogance + ignorance = bad outcomes.

Good luck to them.

Well if all the old farts in the lounge didn't go to bed after Johnny Carson (yes I know it's not on anymore) then i wouldn't have to kiil my night at work by argueing with these "children"