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[hawaii50brah]

Got an awesome expensive cycle to share for review, will be updating results weekly beginning early October; Like it, try it, Hate it, fix it
18 wk cycle, Check it:

Wk1-14 700mg test enanthate
Wk1-14 200mg equipoise
Wk1-14 200mg deca durabolin
Wk1-18-50mg proviron)

Hcg 2500 monthly (last 3days of each month), and .25 arimadex daily throughout
Silibinin 100mg daily w/ orals ( at night)
Nov(40mg/day)/ clomid(100mg/day) at the end, 2 wks each, and 200mg gnrh after pct.

Experience/stats;
On and off short cycles w/ everything, typically 6-8wk max, been lifting for 8yrs on and off, almost 30.

Objectives:
Prep for mens physique, 3+ inches on the pipes, thicken back and legs, improve my run and swim

My monthly report;
Diet and exercise logs, result updates and pics.
This is a 16 week cycle with 4 weeks of PCT

[AXx]

Woah!!!!!

You told that right on the expensive word.

[MickeyKnox]

im sure what everyone else is gonna say, but i think youre objectives could be met without a smorgasbord of aas. not saying to do no aas but, i think youre overlooking diet as the key to achieving most of your goals. pop up your diet bro, lets take a peek at it - include macros too.

[marcus300]

You can't use the word awesome and eq together, come on now your just wasting syringe space when it could be used for something else.
Dont like the eq and length of the cycle,
Your also better running the winny right up to pct start time rather than stopping at wk 16

[gixxerboy1]

^^^
i agree drop the eq
change the weeks for the winny
a-dex through out cycle. Why are you only using it the last 3 days of the month. makes no sense
how are you doing the hcg. you were vague

[stpete]

I'd like to hear more about the diet.

Length of PCT is inadequate and dosages weren't mentioned.

[Times Roman]

Check it:
Wk1-16 700mg test enanthate
Wk1-16 500mg equipoise
Wk1-15 400mg deca durabolin
Wk1-10 25mg proviron
Wk11-20 50mg proviron
Wk 11-16 50mg winstrol tab daily(1/2 morn and night)
Wk 1-4 50 mg dbol daily(morn/noon/pre w/o / night)
Experience/stats;
On and off short cycles w/ everything, typically 6-8wk max, been lifting for 8yrs on and off, almost 30, 6'3'', consistant 12-15% body fat, 195lbs.

Objectives;
Compete for mens physique after 3+ inches on the pipes, thicken back and legs, would mainly like to improve my run and swim and get big at the same time...

My Weekly report;
Presise Diet and exercise logs, result updates and pics.

Mahalo Braddahs!

Mate,

I see I haven't welcomed you to the board yet. So...
Welcome to the board!

I've read your posts so far, and the short time you've been here, you seem to possess some knowledge.

I'd like to be critical for a bit, in a couple of different ways. Please do not take this as disrespectful, or that I am trying to embarrass you. I am not. We are all here to learn, or at least I am, so hopefully you will take this the right way.

The first thing I am trying to do is reconcile your pics with the 8 years of lifting (on and off). I see some good lean body mass, and about a solid years worth of work in the gym, maybe a year and a half. I bring this up, because I'm also trying to reconcile your physique with the cycle you are proposing. It seems a little lopsided towards the gear side. I think you are taking too much, as you haven't grown into your cycle yet. That's one.

Two. Why three (3) orals? I would pick one and drop two.

Three. Since both deca and eq are 19-nor compounds, I'd drop the Eq, as deca, imo, is the more effective compound of the two.


I understand what you are trying to do. the "perfect" cycle. however, there really is no such thing. a cycle a pro runs would not be one you would want to run. if you are going to get serious about weightlifting and building some muscle, and i hope you are, as you are taking drugs to do this, then you need to apprecaite that this is something we do, typically over a life time. The biggest emphasis is and always needs to be on diet and exercise. Steroids are the final step.

Do you have any questions on any of that?

[AXx]

I just re-read this, are you going to inject HCG 2500iu at once at the end of every month? Also I would concur on what Gix said about just running .25 Adex thoughout cycle

[austinite]

I'd like to hear more about the diet.

Length of PCT is inadequate and dosages weren't mentioned.

Me too.

Also agree with Marcus and gix regarding EQ

[evander87]

Wouldn't the eq help with his running and swimming?

As for building muscle I know it sucks but isn't it good for endurance?

[songdog]

I think you dont need 3 orals like stated above.You can achive your goals running test n Deca if your diet is solid.Now everyone says their diet is spot on.That is including most of us.So post your diet in the diet section and good luck Bro.

[Muscletech]

Exactly, I prefer oils instead orals.. maybe just use dbol and proviron.. but proviron for me it's a waste of money ultil you have to do a contest...

[Lunk1]

I agree with TR..8 years of training and cycles under your belt??? You look skinny man! Lean yes but not built like someone about to inject a competition sized stack!

[hawaii50brah]

AHH YEAH!! Thank you all so much for your time and help. Iv'e been so excited to finally give back to this site. Personally I'm a vet lurker who seeks facts and therefore bios bore me, but check it out, if you had questions, I will have answered everything up to this point.

Clarified PCT;
Durring-HCG for three days once a month at about 850 a day to keep the shooter marbles spinning. A-Dex w/ the HCG for three days once a month just to keep the estrogen chin checked. If more A-Dex is needed through out the cycle then I will run it at .25 daily based on sides and body fat, but the proviron should keep estrogen low.. right?
Post- week 17, (immediately after winny) Clomid 100/daily for 2 wks, then 5000 HCG at once, then Nolva 40/ daily for 2 wks, while running proviron, then GNRH to finish

Stpete Fix my PCT Bro
Marc; Do you want my cycle longer or shorter than 16 wks plus 4wks pct?
SongDog i might drop the d-bol for you but have you tried Silibinin 100mg with your orals? And proviron Isn't going to turn my piss dark right? If so that's the first obvious sign of liver tox and I will discontinue the use.
Lunk No sir, this for me is as fat as I get friendo. But I'll start about 10 lbs heavier.

Equipoise Haters I understand your concern, I see EQ bashing all over the boards. BUT.. A good friend of mine is a pro Body Builder, over 30 years experience, shout out to you old man, and swears by EQ being responsible for his most quality gains, meaning lean muscle mass off season/off cycle. And I'm a fan of the endurance befits. And I already have it, quality EQ. So what do, drop it, lower the dosage to 300 a wk, or keep it, would love more in-depth insight on this topic. It's a question for the big boys, and the little geeks. (Will the eq and deca compete, do the two 19nor compounds saturate the test E.,will I face greater ed sides, or **** up lipid levels, etc.?)

DIET:
100% or 0%, I'm an extremest with a lot of thing and diet's no exception. When I don't like my body I eat like shit, and I eat a lot of shit, "I eat shit for breakfast." When I like my body I eat like a champ. Right now I'm preparing for this cycle so I'm building calories, leaning calories, and eating every 2 hours at least. Thanks to fitnesspal I'll have for MicNOx a Macro Break down for example so far today, 4pm hst, mid-day; 2,486 Cals, 210 Carbs, 91 Fats, 201 Protein. I have 2 meals left for the day as i'm typing and starving and both will be a large piece of salmon, wild rice and salad. So Basically I'm at 3,500 Cals till I get the protein synthesis started with my cycle. Then I will fluctuate 4,500-7k depending on my B.F. weekly. All 4 months the food will be lean and mean. Also taking MRI's RED creatine, and I have a stock load of protein protein to supp when it all begins, right now everything's food.

[gixxerboy1]

a-dex has a short half life. Taking it for three days will only lower it for a couple days, Then it will increase again.
Read this on why you should be using an ai during the whole cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n-cycle-Swifto

[hawaii50brah]

Back, back in july, before muscle eating athletics season

[greenwell001]

Finally, someone who agrees with me on EQ. Hallelujah! Endurance comes first for me as well bro. I will be watching your progress.

[hawaii50brah]

Thanks GIX, I have read that post and I do respect .25 Anastrozole a day will do the trick. Ur above article is what turned me onto Proviron for a DHT, and It also says you dont want 0 estrogen. A three day blast was an alternative recommended to me by a BB/chem friend, as to knock down the estrogen. If that's a false assumption and it is only blocking the estrogen as long as its half life then I very well just might run it every day. Thanks for the advice bro.

[gixxerboy1]

Thanks GIX, I have read that post and I do respect .25 Anastrozole a day will do the trick. Ur above article is what turned me onto Proviron for a DHT, and It also says you dont want 0 estrogen. A three day blast was an alternative recommended to me by a BB/chem friend, as to knock down the estrogen. If that's a false assumption and it is only blocking the estrogen as long as its half life then I very well just might run it every day. Thanks for the advice bro.

You are right you dont want zero estrogen. But you want to keep it in the normal range. Doing as you planned your estrogen will be elevated then dip for a few days then rebound up.

[stpete]

I'd run the winny 13-18. Drop the EQ.

PCT should be 4 weeks
Clomid-100/50/25/25
Nolva-40/40/20/20

[hawaii50brah]

Thanks gix. So stpete, you would run the winny on top of the clomid then right? Sounds like a good plan to me. Why do u hate my eq, its for endurance and stamina, you know ninja stuff...

[Lunk1]

Mahalo brah for the personal info. I know it's not why you came here but as you can tell it lightens everyone up that spends sooo much time steering kids away from dangerous choices. Stay away from that Land L BBQ man. You will bulk for sure on that stuff. God knows I did Aloha!

[songdog]

Well I wish you luck plz send us a pic when you are done bro.

[Super-Chump]

Wow heavy cycle

My only issue (besides what everyone else has already mentioned) is that if you spend all thistime and money on this cycle, with the real chance of some serious health issues, why would you allow your muscle to be 'eaten away' during your athletics season? If I were you I'd be focusing on what you do during your season instead of before and after it, unless you are a long distance athlete (which I doubt).

Keep your calories high and try and replenish your glycogen stores ASAP after you train or compete.

Besides that I'm interested in what results you gain from this cycle, keep us updated.

[gixxerboy1]

Thanks gix. So stpete, you would run the winny on top of the clomid then right? Sounds like a good plan to me. Why do u hate my eq, its for endurance and stamina, you know ninja stuff...

no. you have to wait 2 weeks after your last injection to start pct. Not week 17 like you have it.
So you will run winny the last couple week of your injection and the 2 weeks while you are waiting to start pct.

eq "helps" endurance buy increasing rbc. all steroids increase RBC. My RBC is above the normal range just on a trt dose of test. Yours will be high not even taking the eq. And to high of RBC can be dangerous too. Thats why some guys donate blood on cycle

[hawaii50brah]

Good advice bro thanks, i totally overlooked that.

[hawaii50brah]

Start the clock. I reached 200lbs this week, fealing chubby but strong. I revised the cycle, cut back a little on everything and fixed the pct thanks to your help. Getting serious here, whole foods only, starting with a 4500 cal diet the first week, w/ 2 a day training sessions.

[hawaii50brah]

Ok this is my 2nd wk in report: l've never felt such quick results, 2 wks feels like five, but the cycle is twice as big as my norm so thats adds up. Strength is up, stamina is up, fat is down about 2-4%. Weighing 204 in the morning after droping off the browns. Not meeting my calorie goal every day, but definately eating alot of good food and keeping up a 300g+protein/day, and at least eating 4500 cals on sore days. Just after a week was struggling to make my muscles sore. W/O twice a day, 2+ hrs a muscle group w/ max wieght 5-8 reps per set, and still not sore the next day. Posting some morning pics, 2wks of growth, (w/no pump).

Nuts just started shrinking, this is 2-3wks too soon for my norm, any personal input on that would help.

[MuscleInk]

Ok this is my 2nd wk in report: l've never felt such quick results, 2 wks feels like five, but the cycle is twice as big as my norm so thats adds up. Strength is up, stamina is up, fat is down about 2-4%. Weighing 204 in the morning after droping off the browns. Not meeting my calorie goal every day, but definately eating alot of good food and keeping up a 300g+protein/day, and at least eating 4500 cals on sore days. Just after a week was struggling to make my muscles sore. W/O twice a day, 2+ hrs a muscle group w/ max wieght 5-8 reps per set, and still not sore the next day. Posting some morning pics, 2wks of growth, (w/no pump).

Nuts just started shrinking, this is 2-3wks too soon for my norm, any personal input on that would help.

Do you have HCG planned?

[hawaii50brah]

First thing in the morn

[MuscleInk]

First thing in the morn

Sorry....haven't read entire thread. Are you following correct protocol for HCG? I so, that should help with atrophy. Running an AI as well I hope.

Congrats on gains all around.

[hawaii50brah]

Ya i have 3 5000iu kits, going to blast one in 2 wks and every month after that, diving it into 2-3 doses at 1 dose a day, back to back. (example; 2500 a day for two days, or 1500+ a day for three days)

[hawaii50brah]

Reporting in at week 5; good news lots of gains, bad news aggrivated a ligament/tendon that connets thumb to bicept, so no back or bi w/o's till this heels. Up to 215lbs. Strongest ive been. Heres last wks average daily micro breakdown, tell me what you think; cals 5250, fats 250, carbs 350(gluten free), prorein 375, sodium 8,500, potassium 2,000. This doesn't include a daily morning isolate, and a post w/o gainer. Ill attach some more 0pump morning comparisons, let me know what muscles i need to address if you like, (for mens physique) mucho mahalos!

[hawaii50brah]

Ok,ok, wrapped up the cycle today, and all done with PCT. Had to change the cycle and it's length due to forum advise, and an early injury (I edited my intro to the cycle i went with).

Outcomes:
Full recovery, +2" on the guns, endurance is up, I'm faster and look bigger, but no actual change in weight.. (Not particularly happy w/ that) I developed about 100 new veins, definitely from the eq but not sure if that's good or bad.

Overall I am happy with the results. I have decided I will make a much bigger separation between a gaining and cutting cycle on the next run; I will stick to one or the other and not try both. So overall I would only recommend this cycle for someone trying to cut, and keep there size.

[MickeyKnox]

You definably made some gains. But if it takes a smorgasbord of over a gram and half of oils and two orals to achieve your results, i'd stick to Test only and eating properly.

Good job.

[cj111]

. But if it takes a smorgasbord of over a gram and half of oils and two orals to achieve your results, i'd stick to Test only and eating properly.

x2, no offense

[thai007goy]

Glad you made it thru man!

[< <Samson> >]

Don't know how much gear you used. But, that is a pretty damn noticeable difference.

[hawaii50brah]

Thanks for the comments. You guys are definitely right.

The reason i sought out this smorgish board was to find a better alternative to your text book bulkup then cut down cycle separation. You know you would like to kill two birds with one stone.

The first two months with carbs i got up to 217 but lost only 2%bf. I decided to cut the cycle short because i wasn't losing bf fast enough.Then for the last 3wks i did a 3 day no carb, 1 day 250carb glycogen load rotation, and guess what, cut 12lbs of seemingly fat, no way!!...

So in truth, obviously, trying to cut and gain simultaneously is dumb, because your diet ultimately decides.
Haha, so simple but that's the take home for anyone who reads this.

Not incorporating the classics t3 and clen makes cutting more challenging. (Due to the increasing evidence that clen and t3 create a nice long term rearnaked choke on your heart I stay away.)

For the next two months I'm going to try and trim up the back fat with the keto diet 6 days no carbs 1 day glycogen load. Maybe I will post the before and after results of that in another forum. I'm a good test subject because I'm keen to my control variables.

Like you said. My next run will be super test (Sust450), and Eq 50/ml (just as buffer) every 3-4 days and nothing else.