Tren e first time

[hsvcraig]

Hey guys, id like to think ive done my homework and ive weighed up the pros and cons of tren use and think im ready. Have done several cycles now. This is how my next cycle is looking so please critique

Im going to try a 6 week bulk at the beginning of my cycle with the dbol and then after that the tren e and test e should well be in my system to start cutting if that doesnt make sense my cycle will look like this

1-6 dbol 45mgs a day (30mgs on non training days)
1-12 test e 100mgs twice weekly, so 200mgs a week
1-11 tren e 125mgs twice weekly, so 250mgs of tren a week

I was wanting to keep the water bloat down on the dbol so once I'm off the dbol I can hopefully look in a bit better shape and see the tren working. I was thinking weeks
1-6 liquid exemestane at .25 ed, then weeks 6-12 .25 e3d just to keep the water off from the 200mgs of test a week.

For prolactin
Weeks 3-4 = .25mg prami ed
Weeks 4-12 = 1mg prami ed

Is the prami run too high compared to the amount of tren I'll be using?

Any ideas or changes on this guys?

Also am starting on the tren e rather than the tren a coz I only have test e on hand so I thought it's be easier to just have long esters also it seems some ppl suffer less sides from the tren e

[MickeyKnox]

bulk or cut..pick one.

keep dbol same dose through cycle. 40/day is usually plenty

run dex .25 eod through cycle to start - increase if necessary.

no exp with prami

run test tren same wks.


whats your pct look like?

[hsvcraig]

Cheers Mickey. I was only varying the dbol coz I have 15mg capsules, is a bit hard to divide n the amount I have doing it like that would just be enough. Pct would be
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolvadex 20/20/20/20

It'd Probaly be more of a clean bulk to be honest the whole way through.
Thanks mate

[MickeyKnox]

youre welcome.

increase your first two wks of nolva to 40mg instead of 20

sorry i couldn't be more help on the prami. another member will be in shortly to sort that out im sure.

good luck.

[hsvcraig]

Champion cheers man

[songdog]

I agree with the Moose hunter Mickey

[Ashop]

Most men see best results with TREN E at around 300-400mg per wk. You could try the lower dosages to see if it works for you.

[hsvcraig]

Ok mate I'll see how I go thanks alot

[hsvcraig]

Coz of the sides with prami can I not run it and just see how I go and only take it if I start lactating or gyno symptons?

[dec11]

bulking and cutting in the one cycle just never works unless you are a highly qualified and experienced exercise and nutrition expert and have it down to the tiniest detail. one or the other.

i wouldnt bother will prami, in from the start with the AI and you shouldnt have any probs

[hsvcraig]

Cheers dec11, good to have you back mate

[Lunk1]

[QUOTE=hsvcraig;6162906]Hey guys, id like to think ive done my homework and ive weighed up the pros and cons of tren use and think im ready. Have done several cycles now. This is how my next cycle is looking so please critique

Im going to try a 6 week bulk at the beginning of my cycle with the dbol and then after that the tren e and test e should well be in my system to start cutting if that doesnt make sense my cycle will look like this

1-4 dbol 45mgs a day
1-14 test e 100mgs twice weekly, so 200mgs a week
1-12 tren e 250mgs twice weekly, so 500mgs of tren a week
Adex @ .25 mg per day for entire cycle!

For prolactine
Prami on hand

Your new cycle...your welcome!

[bigp87]

I agree with this cycle. Looks much better and similar to one I plan to run in near future.

[baseline_9]

[QUOTE=Lunk1;6163214]

Hey guys, id like to think ive done my homework and ive weighed up the pros and cons of tren use and think im ready. Have done several cycles now. This is how my next cycle is looking so please critique

Im going to try a 6 week bulk at the beginning of my cycle with the dbol and then after that the tren e and test e should well be in my system to start cutting if that doesnt make sense my cycle will look like this

1-4 dbol 45mgs a day
1-14 test e 100mgs twice weekly, so 200mgs a week
1-12 tren e 250mgs twice weekly, so 500mgs of tren a week
Adex @ .25 mg per day for entire cycle!

For prolactine
Prami on hand

Your new cycle...your welcome!

This is better than what was first posted....

Although I'd opt to run dbol for 8 weeks at 20mg/day... Personal preference.... And test at 500 also but up to u

[hsvcraig]

Baseline with the dbol being runn at 8 weeks I opted for the 6 weeks coz I was curious to really give the tren a shot on its on for a while just so I know how it handles in terms of gains alone. Lunk I might meet you in the middle on upping the dose to 500mgs, lil bit weary of tren never venturing there yet and with taking the tren e ill tred lightly to start off. Thanks for your time guys, a big help!

[Lunk1]

[QUOTE=baseline_9;6163221]

This is better than what was first posted....

Although I'd opt to run dbol for 8 weeks at 20mg/day... Personal preference.... And test at 500 also but up to u

Base I was trying to work with his 15mg tabs of dbol so 30mg may be a great compromise.
test at 500 is good. I am just an advocate of the high tren low test theory myself. It's been my favorite

[Lunk1]

Baseline with the dbol being runn at 8 weeks I opted for the 6 weeks coz I was curious to really give the tren a shot on its on for a while just so I know how it handles in terms of gains alone. Lunk I might meet you in the middle on upping the dose to 500mgs, lil bit weary of tren never venturing there yet and with taking the tren e ill tred lightly to start off. Thanks for your time guys, a big help!

Completely understand and will say that a little tren goes along ways so you will still see gains at lower doses as well.

[Atomini]

Hsvgraic PMed me about my opinions on this cycle, but i'll copypaste my opinion here as well:

I like the cycle. Well thought out, well planned. The Prami doesn't sound too high. If you can get up to 1mg/day without the nausea, do it. It's the typical dose i've seen used for prolactin control on cycle. There really isn't much critique to do on a cycle plan like this, its near perfect, and I liek the choice of Aromasin (Exemestane) as the AI instead of the typical Arimidex choice by most people. However, I believe your dosing is off. Exemestane (Aromasin) is dosed in an average of 25mg for a full dose, 12.5mg as a half dose, etc. There is no .25mg. Just incase that may have been a typo of yours.

A lot of people will say your Tren dose is too low. I don't believe this to be so, as Tren is quite a powerful compound. Unless you are a highly experienced Tren user, that dose should be fine for at least a few runs.

[Lunk1]

Hsvgraic PMed me about my opinions on this cycle, but i'll copypaste my opinion here as well:

I like the cycle. Well thought out, well planned. The Prami doesn't sound too high. If you can get up to 1mg/day without the nausea, do it. It's the typical dose i've seen used for prolactin control on cycle. There really isn't much critique to do on a cycle plan like this, its near perfect, and I liek the choice of Aromasin (Exemestane) as the AI instead of the typical Arimidex choice by most people. However, I believe your dosing is off. Exemestane (Aromasin) is dosed in an average of 25mg for a full dose, 12.5mg as a half dose, etc. There is no .25mg. Just incase that may have been a typo of yours.

A lot of people will say your Tren dose is too low. I don't believe this to be so, as Tren is quite a powerful compound. Unless you are a highly experienced Tren user, that dose should be fine for at least a few runs.

I will not argue one bit with the Tren king I would still say to carry the test out for 2 weeks past the tren for a total of 14 weeks on the test....

[Atomini]

I will not argue one bit with the Tren king I would still say to carry the test out for 2 weeks past the tren for a total of 14 weeks on the test....

Why do you suggest this? I'm not sayng it is wrong or bad, i'm just curious as to the reasoning behind it.

I see many people suggest this with Tren cycles but the reasons I have seen and been given - I disagree with them. Maybe you have a different one.

[Lunk1]

I can only speak for me and my experience but I like to have that low dose test still working as the tren clears. It seems to help with suppression and mt mental stability coming off the tren. Again thats just my reaction and it could be placebo..

[Atomini]

See, that's the reason i'm disagreeing with. But I guess if it helps YOU to overcome some of the sides from Tren , even if its a placebo, then why not. I believe in halting everything all at once, as the quicker you get off the quicker you recover. Suppression is suppression, and it remains so even with exogenous test still in your system.

[Lunk1]

See, that's the reason i'm disagreeing with. But I guess if it helps YOU to overcome some of the sides from Tren, even if its a placebo, then why not. I believe in halting everything all at once, as the quicker you get off the quicker you recover. Suppression is suppression, and it remains so even with exogenous test still in your system.

I hear what you are saying and knew that was coming honestly. Your right that suppression is supression. I cldnt agree more. I like to let the sides that are inherant to tren subside and keep the advantage of the test during that time to aloow a smoother transition to PCT. Not sure if this makes sense??

[Atomini]

Yeah that makes sense. I've never done it though, and I still don't see a need to lol.

To me, the concept of keeping test going for a week or 2 after halting tren is as an outmoted idea as tapering off AAS rather than halting administration immediately and doing PCT, which is of course what they did in the old days.

[Lunk1]

Yeah that makes sense. I've never done it though, and I still don't see a need to lol.

To me, the concept of keeping test going for a week or 2 after halting tren is as an outmoted idea as tapering off AAS rather than halting administration immediately and doing PCT, which is of course what they did in the old days.

Def. an interesting debate. Perhaps a thread of it's own for ppl to weigh in....