2nd Cycle Advice

[honeysingh]

Hello Members,

I have ran test e at 500mg/week for 12 weeks with aromasin and hcg. I have gained a lot of strength and mass. I am researching on my second cycle. I weight ~195lbs at 15% and I am 5' 10''.

I am thinking of running sustanon 250 for second cycle.

SUS 250 - 500mg/week(was thinking of 750mg, let me know what you guys think) for 12 weeks
Anavar - 40mg 8-12 weeks
Dbol - 30mg 1-4 weeks
Clen- week1-12 at 2 weeks on and 2 off

Along with AI and HCG at 500mg a week.


Thanks guys, and I am 26 btw

[Lunk1]

What was your PCT protocal? When did you finish the last cycle? What were your results from that cycle?

[honeysingh]

PCT was nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 75/75/50/50. Its been 2 months.

I went from 169 to 198lbs, lost 3 pounds.

[Lunk1]

PCT was nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 75/75/50/50. Its been 2 months.

I went from 169 to 198lbs, lost 3 pounds.

My suggestion is to stick with test E only cycle for now since that was your first cycle and you had great results. Why change whats working??

[honeysingh]

No I dont think i will run test e again. I want to trim the fat and get ready for a vacation in spring break.

[Lunk1]

No I dont think i will run test e again. I want to trim the fat and get ready for a vacation in spring break.

Trimming fat is not about what gear you use. It's about proper diet.

[honeysingh]

Trimming fat is not about what gear you use. It's about proper diet.

Yeah i agree with you 100%. But i want to stack this time, I dont want to use the domestic test e i used last time. I would rather use the best sus that is avaliable on the market.

[Lunk1]

Why do feel Sus is better than E?

[honeysingh]

Cause i am sure the domestic test was underdosed. I trained really hard and ate a shit ton of food. Diet was all good. But i would rather use Sus 250 from pakistan, I heard its the one of the best roid on the market.

[Lunk1]

Cause i am sure the domestic test was underdosed. I trained really hard and ate a shit ton of food. Diet was all good. But i would rather use Sus 250 from pakistan, I heard its the one of the best roid on the market.

Well you gained 29 lbs on test E cycle so SOMETHING worked great. You realize that for the most part test is test so the effect of Sus250 won't really be any diff than those from test E?

[honeysingh]

shameless bump

[SportbikerKid]

Why do feel Sus is better than E?

Strong this. That decanoate ester test takes so long to come out of your system that there's a strong possibility it will still be shutting you down after pct. I've never run sust, but it doesn't seem like that great of a compound. Just stick with test e or c as your cycle base.

[honeysingh]

alright, i will look more on the effects of decanoate. But I still want to use orals for frontloading and leaning out in the end. The other choice would be Test P. I have no problem with pinning every day.


Edit: + clen and T3.

[havanakid]

If it works no need to fix it.Test E with anavar for the last 4-6 weeks with the proper diet ought to to the trick.A good ai to control some of the water retain and you should be good to go imo.

[honeysingh]

I dont want to wait until 6 weeks it to kick in, i would rather use test p this time.

[Lunk1]

alright, i will look more on the effects of decanoate. But I still want to use orals for frontloading and leaning out in the end. The other choice would be Test P. I have no problem with pinning every day.


Edit: + clen and T3.

Spend a little time reading the profiles of these drugs. Prop is great but pinning eod is plenty. The dbol and var protocal you showed is not bad although I feel dbol is a waste of $. Water bloat and fake strenght. Almost all gains from dbol will go bye bye.

[havanakid]

I dont want to wait until 6 weeks it to kick in, i would rather use test p this time.

If you can get test p then go for it especially since you dont mind the pinning.

[Lunk1]

I dont want to wait until 6 weeks it to kick in, i would rather use test p this time.

I like to start my cycle with prop and E just for that reason!

[SportbikerKid]

I dont want to wait until 6 weeks it to kick in, i would rather use test p this time.

Then use test p??

Honestly you won't see much of a difference between p and e. But it seems like you're pretty set on using prop...

[honeysingh]

I like to start my cycle with prop and E just for that reason!

Thanks Lunk1 and sportbikerkid,

Whats the ratio you used for test e:testp during 12 week cycle

[honeysingh]

This was just an example, I am open to other options.

This is what i am expecting form my next cycle. I would like to gain 20 lbs, the lesser the water retention the better it would be. First i was thinking about tren e cause it doesnt hold any water.

I would like to drop body fat and gain muscles.

[Lunk1]

This was just an example, I am open to other options.

This is what i am expecting form my next cycle. I would like to gain 20 lbs, the lesser the water retention the better it would be. First i was thinking about tren e cause it doesnt hold any water.

I would like to drop body fat and gain muscles.

From your posts i feel confident saying that you should get some experience and research under your belt before tren is considered.

[honeysingh]

Lunk1,

how do you use prop and e?

500mg of prop? for first 4 weeks?
500mg of test e? for 1-12 weeks?

[MickeyKnox]

oral kicker to start.

test e wks 1-10 2/wk @250
prop wks 10-12 eod @150 for short transition to pct. (3 days)

end of story.

[honeysingh]

what about clen?

[MickeyKnox]

what about clen?

you don't need that. focus on your diet.

but you could run var at the end. i would do more than 40mg....60 min

[Lunk1]

Lunk1,

how do you use prop and e?

500mg of prop? for first 4 weeks?
500mg of test e? for 1-12 weeks?

My method (wrong or right might be debated) 250mg prop 1-4, 250mg E 1-4, 500mg E 4-12

[BobTheBodyBuilder]

honey pm me , im also sikh lol

[Lunk1]

honey pm me , im also sikh lol

He doesn't have the post count to pm...

[BobTheBodyBuilder]

ahh nice catch!

Honey, upload some current pics of your physique if you dont mind. would be a lot easier for us to help you plan your stack. You might not even need a stack at all imo.

[Lunk1]

ahh nice catch!

Honey, upload some current pics of your physique if you dont mind. would be a lot easier for us to help you plan your stack. You might not even need a stack at all imo.

It's a little strange you calling him honey and wanting him to pm you pics lol

[warmouth]

Just run Test P all the way through. If you dont mind pinning, just go EOD, not ED. You get gains faster, shorter cycle, and PCT starts quicker. Test P is my test of choice and I find there is no reason to stack with anything right now, as I do good with Test only. DO NOT USE TREN E especially at your stage in this. I would get a few more cycles under my belt first, and be sure to use the A version when you do. That way, if sides are too much for you, you can just drop it and continue with the Prop. Id say screw the orals. The var might be a good choice for the last 6 weeks, but 40 mgs might not do much for you. It might, but it also might be a waste of moolah. I did 80mgs my first itme and it was the bomb. Sides sucked, and I may never do it again, but it was nice. Drop Dbol for now and run that TP and bee happy. Also, remember more than 10 weeks is really a waste of gear using Prop. 8 weeks is actually a good cycle duration for it, imo. Good luck!

[Lunk1]

Just run Test P all the way through. If you dont mind pinning, just go EOD, not ED. You get gains faster, shorter cycle, and PCT starts quicker. Test P is my test of choice and I find there is no reason to stack with anything right now, as I do good with Test only. DO NOT USE TREN E especially at your stage in this. I would get a few more cycles under my belt first, and be sure to use the A version when you do. That way, if sides are too much for you, you can just drop it and continue with the Prop. Id say screw the orals. The var might be a good choice for the last 6 weeks, but 40 mgs might not do much for you. It might, but it also might be a waste of moolah. I did 80mgs my first itme and it was the bomb. Sides sucked, and I may never do it again, but it was nice. Drop Dbol for now and run that TP and bee happy. Also, remember more than 10 weeks is really a waste of gear using Prop. 8 weeks is actually a good cycle duration for it, imo. Good luck!

The force is strong with this one no?

[honeysingh]

ahh nice catch!

Honey, upload some current pics of your physique if you dont mind. would be a lot easier for us to help you plan your stack. You might not even need a stack at all imo.

is that you in your avi, mirin gainzz bro!

[honeysingh]

Just run Test P all the way through. If you dont mind pinning, just go EOD, not ED. You get gains faster, shorter cycle, and PCT starts quicker. Test P is my test of choice and I find there is no reason to stack with anything right now, as I do good with Test only. DO NOT USE TREN E especially at your stage in this. I would get a few more cycles under my belt first, and be sure to use the A version when you do. That way, if sides are too much for you, you can just drop it and continue with the Prop. Id say screw the orals. The var might be a good choice for the last 6 weeks, but 40 mgs might not do much for you. It might, but it also might be a waste of moolah. I did 80mgs my first itme and it was the bomb. Sides sucked, and I may never do it again, but it was nice. Drop Dbol for now and run that TP and bee happy. Also, remember more than 10 weeks is really a waste of gear using Prop. 8 weeks is actually a good cycle duration for it, imo. Good luck!

Thanks man,

I guess i will run TEST P at 200mg EOD for 8 weeks, with anavar in last 6 weeks.

Test p 200mg EOD
Anavar 80mg 3-8
Clen last 6 weeks(2weeks off in between)

#thatsit

[honeysingh]

The force is strong with this one no?

lol, will test p hold the same amount of water as test e?

[Lunk1]

Thanks man,

I guess i will run TEST P at 200mg EOD for 8 weeks, with anavar in last 6 weeks. Run your test at 100-150 eod. No need in such a big dose increase.

Test p 200mg EOD
Anavar 80mg 3-8
Clen last 6 weeks(2weeks off in between)

#thatsit

lol, will test p hold the same amount of water as test e?

Water gain is more of a diet issue but if anything prop would hols LESS water since it takes less water to break down the short ester.

[honeysingh]

Water gain is more of a diet issue but if anything prop would hols LESS water since it takes less water to break down the short ester.

Last cycle, i was told to use aromasin every other day at 12.5mg which i think is quite a dose for me. I am sure my gaines were less cause of excess use of aromasin. In firstr 8 weeks i didnt feel anything special, increase stregth for sure. But as soon as i changed the dose from EOD to E 4 day or so. My stregth jumped to a new level, i was 10x times horny, I felt like a million bucks on test e like every say you are suppose to. In last 2 weeks i didnt take aromasin at all.

I dont know how should I use it in my prop cycle. What will be the symptoms when i should increse or decsrease the dosage.

Please aware me on this?

[Lunk1]

Aromasin is a little harsh and may drop your estro too much or shut it down completley (not good). I like adex at .25mg ED but either way an AI is necessary and will help avoid water weight and bloat.

[honeysingh]

Anybody have expeirnce with clen?