Lowering my estrogen and doing a cycle for this fall and then the winter.....

[HereinDC]

Need some advice of a fall program and then winter program.
I know you guys want as much information as possible, so here it goes:

Ex marathoner now 12+gym. I’m 5’10” 156 , 33waist….and butt is 37” 38” chest. 50 years old
Over the last 5 years, my waist has been getting bigger , I went from a 31 waist to a 34 waist, but I haven’t gained any weight.
I had my testosterone tested early this year. Total Scale: 250-1000 my total was 376. Free Scale: 35 to 150, my total was 52. My doctor wouldn’t recommend testosterone. I then went to one of those Rejuvinanation Centers to see what they were all about. I’ve heard they “find a way” to get you on a testosterone program. Found out I had a high elevated estrogen level. I didn’t bother with the program, too expensive. I did follow their suggestion to lower my estrogen level: no soy, watch for plastics ( estrogen in plastics ) eat more organic. I also cut back on the white wine. ( btw, I have no erection problem, which is associated with high estrogen, (sometimes I can jo 5x in 24 hours )

So for six months I trained hard(er) and followed the diet. A trainer at my gym ( unsolicited) said to me I’m one of the hardest working out guys in the gym. 5 times a week, 70-90 minutes per workout. I throw in some cross fit at times and I do myofascial self massages techniques for about 30 minutes 4 times a week. I eat well, practically no sweets. So after 6 months.....nothing.....zip. No change in my waist. I am lean and tight everywhere except for my waist and my pecs just don’t have that firm look.
So, I found a source and for a month now, I’ve been taking Proviron 25mg once a day. My waist has come done from 34 ¼ to just below 33. I am losing the waist, (actually have always had a 4 pac) My upper thighs are getting leaner too. I’ve maintained my same weight of 156.

10 years ago I did a cycle. 156lbs to 175 in 12 weeks. 16 week deca / sus but after 12 weeks I got a serious cold and had to stop. I’m not looking now to gain 20 pounds. I just want the smaller waist and gain about 5-7 pounds of lean muscle.
I’m thinking of a 6-8 weeks of Anavar 50mg day . I read it doesn’t build bulk, but solid gains. Or do just Dianabol 30mg for about 4-6 weeks or could try a cycle of 10mi deca / 10mi test enanthate / 10mi sustanon250. I don’t want obvious big bulk gains. I want to see what happens. I’ll give it a rest for a few months. Then in the winter I’ll re-evaluate....... I may do a HGH ( Novatropin )

If the 6-8 weeks of oral shows good progress, then take 8 weeks off and do the cycle again. Would that be a reasonable on going situation? or a cycle....rest and then something else etc...

Any suggestions welcomed. Again, not looking for massive gains. Just about 5-8 pounds that I can maintain.

[Capebuffalo]

Smaller waist and 5-7 lbs of muscle All achievable with diet.
Is that you in avi?
50 in chest?

[HereinDC]

38 chest.
50 years old.
Me in avi

I've done the diet. trust me!

[Capebuffalo]

Im illiterate.

[Neevor]

Well, the reason your waist is getting bigger is because you are getting older dude! Its normal for the actual hip structure to expand in our 50s and on. So don't take it so hard. Measure your fat by your BF% and not your waist line. I googled it just to make sure I wasn't goin crazy and all sorts of info popped up on male hip expansion..

I'd recommend that if you wanna put on a little mass that you can maintain you run 8 weeks of test prop 50mgED (or 100mgEOD if you dont want to stick yourself as much) and as long as you can afford the var try 30 or 40mgED. Thats a relatively small bulking cycle and if your avatar is you you can gain quite a bit with that if you want. Just make sure you run HCG through out the cycle so that your balls are rarin and ready to take off from the gate once you start your PCT. The reason for the prop instead of a longer ester is because your test is so low you wanna set yourself up in the best position possible to recover quickly so you don't lose gains. Feel free to PM me if you need to chat a bit more about your options. I can point you to some good reading on this site as well.

[HereinDC]

Neevor,
Thanks for the info. It spounds do able what you said.
I do have some more questions about fine tuning the cycle.
I tired to pm, but I think my new status member won't allow me to pm

[Neevor]

Ah, yeah, I forgot about that PM thing when you are new. Post your questions here and I will do my best to answer and hopefully others will chime in with their knowledge as well.

[Lunk1]

I just want to say thank you for keeping my hopes alive

5X in 24 hours at 50 yo....Man I hope thats me!!!

[GreMos]

I just want to say thank you for keeping my hopes alive

5X in 24 hours at 50 yo....Man I hope thats me!!!

Lololol

EDIT: well... That was the wrong pic, but I'm leaving it anyway. Too good.

[HereinDC]

Neevor,

Question #1
The 8 weeks of test prop....How often do I "stick" myself?

Question #2 I may be able to purchase discount anvar and tran acetate
10 week cycle:
Anvar 30mg/day
Trenbolone acertate 100mg 2x week

[Lunk1]

Neevor,

Question #1
The 8 weeks of test prop....How often do I "stick" myself?

Question #2 I may be able to purchase discount anvar and tran acetate
10 week cycle:
Anvar 30mg/day
Trenbolone acertate 100mg 2x week

I'm not Neevor but I will be glad to help.

1) test prop should be injected EOD (every other day)
2)This is your first cycle si stay away from tren. It is a very pwerful steroid with 5X the effect of test alone and has some potent side affects. It's not a first timer compound.
See how you react to a test only cycle first so that you can determine side effects better.
3) Var at 30mg is a light dosage and a waste of $ imo. Var would have to be run 80-100mg and I would still say try test only the first time.

Hope this helps!

[songdog]

I just want to say thank you for keeping my hopes alive

5X in 24 hours at 50 yo....Man I hope thats me!!!

Rumor has it your once in 5 dayz just sayin

[Lunk1]

Rumor has it your once in 5 dayz just sayin

Yeah but that 1X lasts 5 days.

Even Jesus rested 1 day

[kelkel]

More relevant T serum scale is 348 - 1197. You are clinically low which is probably age related (your normal) unless there's a pathology or other issue present. Which is why your should have complete blood work done. Maybe you did but didn't post it. There is more related to hormone levels than just T levels. Many things can effect your T levels such as thyroid issues, cortisol levels and the above mentioned pathologies.

You don't need to cycle at this point to achieve your goals. Visit the TRT forum and read the Finding A Physician Sticky for an example of BW to have. You need to get this to make an informed decision of what is causing your low T. If everything is ruled out and you're becoming secondary hypogonadal (normal-age related barring pathologies) then TRT is in your future first. Be great to see LH/FSH levels if you have them now along with SHBG, Thyroid panels, E2, Vit D, etc. In particular LH/FSH will determine pituitary performance. Low LH/FSH plus low T levels = secondary hypogonadal. High LH/FSH plus low T = primary hypogonadal (testicular failure.)

In the meantime, begin supplementing with vit D3 as it will decrease your shbg level and therefore increase your free T. Arguably one of the best and cheapest supplements anyone can take OTC.

So, if you already have those tests why don't you post them in the HRT forum so the guys there can analyze them. While there read all the stickies as there's a wealth of relevant knowledge for someone in your shoes. Cycling right now is not your answer, IMO.

Good luck and welcome to the site. Stick around.

kel

[HereinDC]

Thank You.
8 weeks is what I'll do

I'm able to purchase:
2 vials of Test Prop 100mg/ml 10ml
- HCG 10,000 iu

I've been doing the conversion chart and what to see if I'm doing it correctly.

Test Prop - 100mgEOD would be .1 gram ?