First shot of test...

[ineedauser]

Is it ok to take it an hour before a workout? My friend is gonna help me with my first shot before I start doing them in the mornings.

[AntDavis92]

You can take it thirty seconds before a work out bro, all is well... Best not to take it before bed though but otherwise any time is good!

[600@50]

I usually pin first thing in the morning. That way walking around all day seems to help the oil disperse better. I have pinned late in the evening like Ant said and the pip was much worse the next couple of days.

[Lunk1]

What is it with all of you guys and this PIP stuff? I can't remember how that felt it's been so long ago.

[fit2bOld]

What is it with all of you guys and this PIP stuff? I can't remember how that felt it's been so long ago.

Nothing like some good old pip to let you know your alive..

[ineedauser]

What the hell is PIP?! Hahahaha

[Lunk1]

Nothing like some good old pip to let you know your alive..

Honestly...I had it with my first cycle (geneza) for like the first col pins....have never had it since. Have a smooth UGL now..maybe its about quality???

[freddy1418]

What the hell is PIP?! Hahahaha

Post injection pain

[freddy1418]

Honestly...I had it with my first cycle (geneza) for like the first col pins....have never had it since. Have a smooth UGL now..maybe its about quality???

I doubt its about quality cause I can pin the same spot with the same gear (batch # and everything) and one will hurt and the other like nothing... I think its a matter of more luck then anything lol though my quads seem to be ok for the most part... I seem to get more pip on the delts.. I'm thinking your prob less prone to pip the longer you've been pinning to... I'm sure the body eventually becomes accustomed to it

[Lunk1]

I doubt its about quality cause I can pin the same spot with the same gear (batch # and everything) and one will hurt and the other like nothing... I think its a matter of more luck then anything lol though my quads seem to be ok for the most part... I seem to get more pip on the delts.. I'm thinking your prob less prone to pip the longer you've been pinning to... I'm sure the body eventually becomes accustomed to it

I'm thinking it's your technique...it's not hard to create amll tears in the muscle while pinning.

[warmouth]

Honestly...I had it with my first cycle (geneza) for like the first col pins....have never had it since. Have a smooth UGL now..maybe its about quality???

Lucky you. My UGL(looks pharma) hurts bad. I have used the analogy before that the day after, it feels like I sat ina hornets nest. I do think quality has a little to do with it. EVERYTHING from this place hurts. Even the orals, lol. I have heard so many peopleonhere say that their test P never hurts. That sucks!

[ineedauser]

Why shouldn't you inject before bed?

[gixxerboy1]

Why shouldn't you inject before bed?

You can. I don't know why he said that

[Far from massive]

Me either, it seems to me ( just my opinon not based on medical studies) that an hour or two before bed is a great time to pin, so that blood levels are peaking during deep sleep which is the time most tissue repair is taking place.

[Far from massive]

Lucky you. My UGL(looks pharma) hurts bad. I have used the analogy before that the day after, it feels like I sat ina hornets nest. I do think quality has a little to do with it. EVERYTHING from this place hurts. Even the orals, lol. I have heard so many peopleonhere say that their test P never hurts. That sucks!

I agree with both posts on PIP. I feel that quality ( PH balance etc.) has a lot to do with it. But of course really poor injection techniques will cause 1ml straight CSO to hurt so that can also be a factor.

[Full_Auto]

i'm new to pinning as well, my 3rd shot is tonight. the first shot i took was in the right glute a half hour before a leg workout, the following 2 days were terrible!!! it felt like i shot myself in the ass with my Glock 27 rather than a 22g needle!!! it could have been due to it being my first injection, or because i worked out immediately after injection, or maybe because it was a virgin muscle, or because i forgot to dispense a drop of oil at the tip of the needle before injection, etc.

my second shot was in my left delt on a non workout day, very little pain at all the following days. this time i made sure to dispense a drop of oil at the tip of the needle also, which i'm sure helped as well. at worst, it was like i bumped into the corner of a cabinet or something, very mild & very tolerable. i worked out the day after no problem, still with no pain.

so comparing these first two shots, i'm going with non-workout day injections cuz it was so much more comfortable for me. i felt like the healing process in conjunction with the injection caused some extra pain in my glute. of course, Lunk might tell you the reason my ass hurt so much was due to my 19" wheels & my ride home from work that day, lol.

but in the end, it seems that after a few injections the PIP goes away anyway, so i think the amount of pain you feel has no connection to whether or not it's a workout day or not. the reality is, there are alot of reasons why you may experience PIP. i don't think there's any definate reason for it, nor is there any definate way to eliminate it. if your concerned about injecting on workout days, just don't do it and problem solved.

i am also pinning at night about 2 hours before i fall asleep.

**** your friend, do it yourself....it's more fun!!!

[ineedauser]

Thanks for that comment man!

[Lunk1]

[QUOTE=Full_Auto;6179224]i'm new to pinning as well, my 3rd shot is tonight. the first shot i took was in the right glute a half hour before a leg workout, the following 2 days were terrible!!! it felt like i shot myself in the ass with my Glock 27 rather than a 22g needle!!! it could have been due to it being my first injection, or because i worked out immediately after injection, or maybe because it was a virgin muscle, or because i forgot to dispense a drop of oil at the tip of the needle before injection, etc.

my second shot was in my left delt on a non workout day, very little pain at all the following days. this time i made sure to dispense a drop of oil at the tip of the needle also, which i'm sure helped as well. at worst, it was like i bumped into the corner of a cabinet or something, very mild & very tolerable. i worked out the day after no problem, still with no pain.

so comparing these first two shots, i'm going with non-workout day injections cuz it was so much more comfortable for me. i felt like the healing process in conjunction with the injection caused some extra pain in my glute. of course, Lunk might tell you the reason my ass hurt so much was due to my 19" wheels & my ride home from work that day, lol.

but in the end, it seems that after a few injections the PIP goes away anyway, so i think the amount of pain you feel has no connection to whether or not it's a workout day or not. the reality is, there are alot of reasons why you may experience PIP. i don't think there's any definate reason for it, nor is there any definate way to eliminate it. if your concerned about injecting on workout days, just don't do it and problem solved.

i am also pinning at night about 2 hours before i fall asleep.

**** your friend, do it yourself....it's more fun!!![/QUOTE]

Perhaps he LIKES doing it with his friend...no judging here lol...

[gearbox]

Leg day was not the cause of more pain. If anything, it would help spread the fluid faster.
Virgin muscle hurts.

[gixxerboy1]

virgin muscle makes it hurt more. If you wiggled the needle it may hurt more. Some shots get sore for no rhyme or reason.
It has nothing to do with the drop of oil on the needle. I never do that.
Also dont know why you are using a 22 to inject. I use 25 for everything.

[Lunk1]

I put the pin in and then move it around like the stick shift in an old chevy truck...never have a problem (disclaimer: this is a joke and not meant to be taken literaly)

[Full_Auto]

22g didn't bother my delt at all....but i am thinking of grabbing some 23g. most people say 22 or smaller are fine, doesn't seem like a big deal really.

i thought 25g take forever to inject oils, no??

[Lunk1]

22g didn't bother my delt at all....but i am thinking of grabbing some 23g. most people say 22 or smaller are fine, doesn't seem like a big deal really.

i thought 25g take forever to inject oils, no??

Slower injections=better injections in my book. Besides samller the needle less scar tissue buildup.

I am getting some 18G to draw with though cause my ADD kicks in drawing with 25g

[ineedauser]

I use 20g to draw and 23g to inject. Injections probably take 30 seconds or so.

[Full_Auto]

i currently have 18g for drawing.....thinking i'm about to hit ebay for some 23g or 25g for injection though. obviously, i want injections to be as comfortable as possible.

i think another reason i went with 22g was cuz the other smaller sizes were only offered in 1" length. most recommend 1.5" for glute injections.

[Lunk1]

i currently have 18g for drawing.....thinking i'm about to hit ebay for some 23g or 25g for injection though. obviously, i want injections to be as comfortable as possible.

i think another reason i went with 22g was cuz the other smaller sizes were only offered in 1" length. most recommend 1.5" for glute injections.

The banner and sponser above sell them as well....

[Full_Auto]

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i'll support them, thanks Lunk!!