first cycle, need advice

**mogains** · 09-20-2012, 12:38 PM

first cycle ever, need advice. Not trying to go all out, going to go with test E at 300mg a week. 150mg on monday, 150mg on thursday. just need help on a proper pct. can someone write out my cycle with a pct for how many weeks (test e and pct) and when to take the pct. thanks.

19, 5'10, 175ish lbs solid muscle, training for 4 years.
eat 6 meals a day, drink a protein shake 2x a day. dont eat fast food / don't eat junk food / dont smoke / dont drink. only drink water and ice tea.

**lestat85** · 09-20-2012, 12:47 PM

No one will just write it out for you. You need more research. Start by checking out the stickies in the PCT forum. Also look up HCG and AI. when you think you've got it figured out, repost and you'll be able to get better advice.

**mogains** · 09-20-2012, 12:56 PM

week 1-10 test e, 300mg a week
i just can't get the pct in check, still researching and looking at the stickies. im new to this forum.

**SportbikerKid** · 09-20-2012, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by mogains

week 1-10 test e, 300mg a week
i just can't get the pct in check, still researching and looking at the stickies. im new to this forum.

Read up on AI's and what they are used for

Read up on Clomid particularly in reguards to LH, FSH and the pituitary
Read up on Nolva and which receptors it targets
Find some stuff about serms in general and decide whether you want to want to run nolva/clomid or torem for pct

After doing this, write out your whole cycle and i'll help you tweak it.

**Lunk1** · 09-20-2012, 01:04 PM

The likelyhood of someone writing cycle advise for a 19 year old is preety slim. Are you even aware of the risks that go along with cycling at such a youn age???

**lestat85** · 09-20-2012, 01:12 PM

You're 19. I should have checked before saying anything. You're too young to start AAS. You're natural test is definitely high enough to make great gains. 300mg/week of test will not be worth risking serious damage to your body.

You need a lot more research. Start by reading the young and steroids thread. Research the consequences of starting too young and wait until you're 25. Spend that time researching everything you can find about AAS and when you're ready, you won't have to ask others to tell you what to do.

Head over to the diet and training sections. Spend tons of time there. With proper diet and training, you'll make great gains.

**mogains** · 09-20-2012, 01:14 PM

week 1-12 test e 300mg a week
Adex 0.5 EOD through the cycle, every other day take eod 0.5
4 week PCT - start pct 2 weeks after last pin
Nolva 40 40 20 20
clomid 50 50 50 50

is this good?

**Lunk1** · 09-20-2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by mogains

week 1-12 test e 300mg a week
adex 0.5 eod through the cycle, every other day take eod 0.5
4 week pct - start pct 2 weeks after last pin
nolva 40 40 20 20
clomid 50 50 50 50

is this good?

nope!!!!!

**mogains** · 09-20-2012, 01:20 PM

ive been doing the research for a while. my buddy told me about this pct cycle a week ago-ish. i knew this wasen't right at all so i posted it up to get feedback.

**Lunk1** · 09-20-2012, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by mogains

ive been doing the research for a while. my buddy told me about this pct cycle a week ago-ish. i knew this wasen't right at all so i posted it up to get feedback.

I have a daughter nearly your age and somehow she manages to ignore me when I tell her something that she doesn't want to hear as well.

Your are too young to PLAY with steroids and risk serious side affects down the road including, but not limited to a life on Testosterone Replacement Therapy just to function!

**songdog** · 09-20-2012, 01:24 PM

You really need to wait until your 25.But in the mean time you can work on your diet and base.Good luck.

**SportbikerKid** · 09-20-2012, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by mogains

week 1-12 test e 300mg a week
Adex 0.5 EOD through the cycle, every other day take eod 0.5
4 week PCT - start pct 2 weeks after last pin
Nolva 40 40 20 20
clomid 50 50 50 50

is this good?

Its alright. You want to take adex up until you start PCT. .5 adex eod is a little bit high. Try .25 eod. Adex dosing is based alot on bodyfat and how each individual responds to the steroid , but .25 eod should be a good dose to start off at. Run clomid at 50/50/25/25 or 100/50/25/25 if you can handle the sides. Also, you probably should bump the test up to 400/week. 400 won't really shut you down any harder than 300 will, and you'll probably see a drastic improvement in results. Your nolva is good to go.

**lestat85** · 09-20-2012, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by SportbikerKid

Its alright. You want to take adex up until you start PCT. .5 adex eod is a little bit high. Try .25 eod. Adex dosing is based alot on bodyfat and how each individual responds to the steroid, but .25 eod should be a good dose to start off at. Run clomid at 50/50/25/25 or 100/50/25/25 if you can handle the sides. Also, you probably should bump the test up to 400/week. 400 won't really shut you down any harder than 300 will, and you'll probably see a drastic improvement in results. Your nolva is good to go.

At 19, neither you nor OP should be using AAS, but somehow I doubt either of you will listen to any advice other than what you want to hear. Do yourselves a favour and wait. The time passed much faster than you think.

**Lunk1** · 09-20-2012, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by SportbikerKid

Its alright. You want to take adex up until you start PCT. .5 adex eod is a little bit high. Try .25 eod. Adex dosing is based alot on bodyfat and how each individual responds to the steroid, but .25 eod should be a good dose to start off at. Run clomid at 50/50/25/25 or 100/50/25/25 if you can handle the sides. Also, you probably should bump the test up to 400/week. 400 won't really shut you down any harder than 300 will, and you'll probably see a drastic improvement in results. Your nolva is good to go.

You are 19 offering steroid advise to another 19 y.o.....C'mon man. You should be grounded for this behavior!

**mogains** · 09-20-2012, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by SportbikerKid

Its alright. You want to take adex up until you start PCT. .5 adex eod is a little bit high. Try .25 eod. Adex dosing is based alot on bodyfat and how each individual responds to the steroid, but .25 eod should be a good dose to start off at. Run clomid at 50/50/25/25 or 100/50/25/25 if you can handle the sides. Also, you probably should bump the test up to 400/week. 400 won't really shut you down any harder than 300 will, and you'll probably see a drastic improvement in results. Your nolva is good to go.

thanks for the advice.
should clomid and nolva both be taken or can i take one?
is eod really required? i defiantly want to prevent acne in this cycle.

**Lunk1** · 09-20-2012, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by mogains

thanks for the advice.
should clomid and nolva both be taken or can i take one?
is eod really required?

Enjoy your flacid penis!!!!

**SportbikerKid** · 09-20-2012, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by mogains

thanks for the advice.
should clomid and nolva both be taken or can i take one?
is eod really required?

Some people think ED for adex is better (at 10-15 mg), however, off the top of my head, I believe adex has a half life of 3 days, so EOD should keep fairly stable blood levels. Nolva prevents gyno by binding hard to "nipple tissue"

Clomid encourages natural test production (by stimulating the pituitary [LH and FSH]) and also controls estrogen. Torem would accomplish both of these tasks even better than nolva+clomid will. So yes, either run nolva+clomid, or torem.

**SportbikerKid** · 09-20-2012, 01:44 PM

I'm not 19, and i'm not using the steronz either. Just getting some info.

**lestat85** · 09-20-2012, 01:45 PM

Like I said, the only advice OP will even read now is from sportbikerkid and the rest of us will be ignored because now he's found someone to tell him what he wants to hear.

**mogains** · 09-20-2012, 01:46 PM

is torem harsh on the sides? if i run torem instead of clomid+nolva, how should i dose the torem?

**SportbikerKid** · 09-20-2012, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by mogains

is torem harsh on the sides? if i run torem instead of clomid+nolva, how should i dose the torem?

Torem's actually easier on the sides. Run 90/60/60/30

**mogains** · 09-20-2012, 01:48 PM

ok guys, i am reading what you guys are saying, im running a low dose at 300mg a week because i want to up my gains. i know im young to take it. i want MOGAINS

**Capebuffalo** · 09-20-2012, 01:52 PM

Welcome to the world of being ignored.

if you aren't going to listen to anyone here except someone with no better knowledge than you have yourself. Why are you here? ask your dealer and go with that.
But if you want advise with years of knowledge listen You are to young wait.

**SportbikerKid** · 09-20-2012, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by lestat85

Like I said, the only advice OP will even read now is from sportbikerkid and the rest of us will be ignored because now he's found someone to tell him what he wants to hear.

Goddamm guys, I don't know if you realize this, but every high school sports team passes out superdrol like its candy--no pct. They aren't aware of the sides or what they're doing to their bodies. At least this kid is doing a little bit of research. He's got good pct going with an AI on a test-only cycle, and he's aware of the potential consequences. He's already doing better than 99% of the teen juicers out their. Not saying its a good idea, but I'm just glad he didn't go out and buy a bottle of superdrol then start taking it at 100mg/day.

**Lunk1** · 09-20-2012, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by mogains

ok guys, i am reading what you guys are saying, im running a low dose at 300mg a week because i want to up my gains. i know im young to take it. i want MOGAINS

Dont be a juvenile kid op. Mogains has NO real experience with these compounds and his advise is simply sh!t he has read somewhere. He is NOT looking out for your best interests and frankly neither are you. I will gladely help you obtain your goals but it's going to be through hard work and proper nutrition not steroids that could risk your health. Be an adult...take a step back and think...is this worth the risk when I can get there without it. The obvious answer is no. If I didn't give a sh!t I would pull a Sprtbikerkid and say...hell ya have at it. But being and adult I actually care about wether you hurt yourself or not!!!

**austinite** · 09-20-2012, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by SportbikerKid

Goddamm guys, I don't know if you realize this, but every high school sports team passes out superdrol like its candy--no pct. They aren't aware of the sides or what they're doing to their bodies. At least this kid is doing a little bit of research. He's got good pct going with an AI on a test-only cycle, and he's aware of the potential consequences. He's already doing better than 99% of the teen juicers out their. Not saying its a good idea, but I'm just glad he didn't go out and buy a bottle of superdrol then start taking it at 100mg/day.

Please read below first,

Originally Posted by marcus300

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

**Lunk1** · 09-20-2012, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by SportbikerKid

Goddamm guys, I don't know if you realize this, but every high school sports team passes out superdrol like its candy--no pct. They aren't aware of the sides or what they're doing to their bodies. At least this kid is doing a little bit of research. He's got good pct going with an AI on a test-only cycle, and he's aware of the potential consequences. He's already doing better than 99% of the teen juicers out their. Not saying its a good idea, but I'm just glad he didn't go out and buy a bottle of superdrol then start taking it at 100mg/day.

Quite honestly, you my friend can piss off! I hope there is a banning in your near future because your attitude and advise is nothing short of wreckless!

**SportbikerKid** · 09-20-2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Quite honestly, you my friend can piss off! I hope there is a banning in your near future because your attitude and advise is nothing short of wreckless!

I've been on this form longer than you lawl. And I believe I give top-notch advice

**lestat85** · 09-20-2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by SportbikerKid

I'm not 19, and i'm not using the steronz either. Just getting some info.

Your profile says 19, so how old are you really?

Personally I think you're focusing on the wrong part of what's been said. You're giving advice to a 19 year old that may cause serious problems down the road.

**mogains** · 09-20-2012, 01:59 PM

i didnt even buy the juice yet, didnt even buy anything yet, im getting more knowledge first and setting up my cycle only.

so week 1-12 test e 300mg a week. 150mg monday, 150mg thursday. i want to keep it at 300mg a week because i want to see how my body reacts. i dont want to over board on it. i know ill still see good gains.
.25 eod every other day throughout the cycle.
use pct 2 weeks after last pin. 4 week pct. torem 90/60/60/30

is this correct?

**Lunk1** · 09-20-2012, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by SportbikerKid

I've been on this form longer than you lawl. And I believe I give top-notch advice

Time a fkn web site doesn't make you right! Since you have been on this site sooo long you should know that this is not acceptable behavior!!!

I know it sucks having to tuck tail and admit you did something wrong but.....this would be agreat time for it

**Lunk1** · 09-20-2012, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by mogains

i didnt even buy the juice yet, didnt even buy anything yet, im getting more knowledge first and setting up my cycle only.

so week 1-12 test e 300mg a week. 150mg monday, 150mg thursday. i want to keep it at 300mg a week because i want to see how my body reacts. i dont want to over board on it. i know ill still see good gains.
.25 eod every other day throughout the cycle.
use pct 2 weeks after last pin. 4 week pct. torem 90/60/60/30

is this correct?

I offered you direct help...good luck. I'm out!!!!

**mogains** · 09-20-2012, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I offered you direct help...good luck. I'm out!!!!

what help ....

**austinite** · 09-20-2012, 02:06 PM

This thread is going to get out of control quick. I say let it go guys....

**lestat85** · 09-20-2012, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by SportbikerKid

Goddamm guys, I don't know if you realize this, but every high school sports team passes out superdrol like its candy--no pct. They aren't aware of the sides or what they're doing to their bodies. At least this kid is doing a little bit of research. He's got good pct going with an AI on a test-only cycle, and he's aware of the potential consequences. He's already doing better than 99% of the teen juicers out their. Not saying its a good idea, but I'm just glad he didn't go out and buy a bottle of superdrol then start taking it at 100mg/day.

To borrow a comparison made by another member in a different thread, you don't teach a kid to drink responsibly because its better than what some kids are doing. You tell them to wait till they're old enough.

Everyone's glad that he didn't just take it without advice, but the best advice, and only advice that should be given, is to wait.

**Lunk1** · 09-20-2012, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by mogains

what help ....

I told you that I would help you reach your goals without risking your health....take it or leave it. This is the last offer and I wont return to this thread!

**stpete** · 09-20-2012, 02:21 PM

So what's the big rush OP? Can i see your diet to the t? Also, post your training routine, please. Let's take a look at these.

**Bigshotvictoria** · 09-20-2012, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by SportbikerKid

Read up on AI's and what they are used for

Read up on Clomid particularly in reguards to LH, FSH and the pituitary
Read up on Nolva and which receptors it targets
Find some stuff about serms in general and decide whether you want to want to run nolva/clomid or torem for pct

After doing this, write out your whole cycle and i'll help you tweak it.

A 19 year old giving a 19 year old cycle advise. The blind leading the blind.

**Lunk1** · 09-20-2012, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

So what's the big rush OP? Can i see your diet to the t? Also, post your training routine, please. Let's take a look at these.

This^^^^^^^^

**gearbox** · 09-20-2012, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by SportbikerKid

Goddamm guys, I don't know if you realize this, but every high school sports team passes out superdrol like its candy--no pct. They aren't aware of the sides or what they're doing to their bodies. At least this kid is doing a little bit of research. He's got good pct going with an AI on a test-only cycle, and he's aware of the potential consequences. He's already doing better than 99% of the teen juicers out their. Not saying its a good idea, but I'm just glad he didn't go out and buy a bottle of superdrol then start taking it at 100mg/day.

funny cause this doesnt change any of the facts! You are immautre and ignorant and you will be back when you cant get an erection to please your girl or you have gyno. or your depressed and want to commit suicide. yes we have seen it all on here! again just cause 99% of your so called high school ppl are taking something doesnt make it right!