2nd cycle equpoise and test enth

**EriCody** · 09-21-2012, 02:47 PM

This would be my second cycle, my first was 500 mg of test enth a week for 10 weeks. I was wondering how much test enth to equpoise a week i should take. I heard that if you dont double your test to equpoise ratio like 300 mg eq and you have to take 600 mg test a week you lose your labido. Is that true or can i take 400 mg eq a week with 600 mg test? and be fine?

**austinite** · 09-21-2012, 02:51 PM

Please read below first,

Originally Posted by marcus300

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

**AXx** · 09-21-2012, 02:52 PM

If only they would all read that before trying or posting.

Good job buddy

**EriCody** · 09-21-2012, 02:56 PM

What do you mean good job? I already understand the risks...

**austinite** · 09-21-2012, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

What do you mean good job? I already understand the risks...

Best of luck to you.

**AXx** · 09-21-2012, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

What do you mean good job? I already understand the risks...

I was talking to Austinite and he was talking to you. I was telling him that the post he made is spot on made by one of the kings of this site.

**EriCody** · 09-21-2012, 03:00 PM

Anyone care to comment on the cycle?

**Capebuffalo** · 09-21-2012, 03:08 PM

Yes I will there is a lot wrong with it. Go back to the drawing board and try again

**EriCody** · 09-21-2012, 03:09 PM

and are you already trying to say that i already rurnt myself by starting doing my first cycle?

**EriCody** · 09-21-2012, 03:10 PM

what do you mean there is alot wrong with it? can you specify

**Capebuffalo** · 09-21-2012, 03:13 PM

If you reasearch first cycles and the effects of being young you will find an answer

**stpete** · 09-21-2012, 03:15 PM

Well, shutting yourself down and possibly doing damage to your endocrine system is never a good idea. And at 20 years old you're at even greater risk.

**Bigshotvictoria** · 09-21-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

and are you already trying to say that i already rurnt myself by starting doing my first cycle?

It is entirely possible, but may not show for a few years. Thats the worst part. You think you beat the odds. Then you hit 25, beautiful women playing with herself, begging you to slam her, and your Greg won't work. Sorry baby, the V won't kick in for another 20 minutes or so. Romantic right? Continuing to smash your endocrine system before its developed and thee chances of serious damage goes up. You might not crash your car after a six pack, but drive drunk a couple
More times something's gonna happen.

**AXx** · 09-21-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

what do you mean there is alot wrong with it? can you specify

Wanna hear some real life stories on screwing yourself up for the future. Wanna hear how when you get married you wife thinks you hate her because you can't keep a good hard. Wanna hear real life stories about having to I next yourself every week for the rest of your life cause you wouldn't listen.

WE have these stories. Real life stories and experiences.

**EriCody** · 09-21-2012, 03:19 PM

I have no problem at all with staying hard... i can for hours still

**EriCody** · 09-21-2012, 03:22 PM

appreciate the caution, now im kinda worried about my next cycle, i might wait til a later age. hopefully i didnt already screw myself up

**Lunk1** · 09-21-2012, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

I have no problem at all with staying hard... i can for hours still

YOU are ignoring all of this sound advise. Have you not heard a word of this? The affects of what you do at 20 may not show uo till your in your 30's.

Ask yourself...why are these guys trying to steer me away from steroids . Do you think it's because they want to be the only big guys on the planet. NO!

They actually care about you and your health...tell me how many web based forums will do that???

**austinite** · 09-21-2012, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

appreciate the caution, now im kinda worried about my next cycle, i might wait til a later age. hopefully i didnt already screw myself up

Best thing I've heard all day. Good call. because you're smart enough to consider your safety (which is rare), your future cycles will be successful.

Best of luck to you.

**gixxerboy1** · 09-21-2012, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

I have no problem at all with staying hard... i can for hours still

maybe now. We are telling you the damage can come later. Also doing another cycle will up the odds. The more you shut your self down the higher the chances

**Lunk1** · 09-21-2012, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

appreciate the caution, now im kinda worried about my next cycle, i might wait til a later age. hopefully i didnt already screw myself up

I typed my ass chewing before I saw this...wise consideration kid. If you want help reaching your goals it;s still available to you here...even without juice

**Bigshotvictoria** · 09-21-2012, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

I have no problem at all with staying hard... i can for hours still

You're not listening, or choosing to ignore parts of what we're telling you. It's not an over night issue. Please read the posts again, carefully. It's like a ticking time bomb, that may or may not go off any time. Every time you cycle while your system is trying to develop greatly increases the risk. But at the end of the day it is your body, and your choice. We have no right to tell you what to do with out, only to guide you if that's what you wish. Just do yourself a big favor, listen to what we say with an open mind. Coming into this conversation you've clearly decided your going to do this despite what anyone says. Put it on the shelf, and truly think it through.

**AXx** · 09-21-2012, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

appreciate the caution, now im kinda worried about my next cycle, i might wait til a later age. hopefully i didnt already screw myself up

Good deal buddy. I hope you didn't as well. Good luck

**EriCody** · 09-21-2012, 03:28 PM

I know its not good at any age but i am going to cycle again eventually, would 25 be the best age to start?

**austinite** · 09-21-2012, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

I know its not good at any age but i am going to cycle again eventually, would 25 be the best age to start?

perfect.

**Lunk1** · 09-21-2012, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

I know its not good at any age but i am going to cycle again eventually, would 25 be the best age to start?

25 is agood age to start IF you have a solid base to work with including a good diet and gym routine...lets work on those 2 things in the mean time huh??

**EriCody** · 09-21-2012, 03:32 PM

Appreciate the advise, and ive been 4-5 days a week regularly for the past year isolating each body part, im finnaly experiencing gains in my flat bench, and thats without creatine,protein and pre workout. so maybe i can order a stack of them supplements i can keep gaining!!

**Bigshotvictoria** · 09-21-2012, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

appreciate the caution, now im kinda worried about my next cycle, i might wait til a later age. hopefully i didnt already screw myself up

This wasn't up when I wrote that last post. Good call bud.

**Bigshotvictoria** · 09-21-2012, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

Appreciate the advise, and ive been 4-5 days a week regularly for the past year isolating each body part, im finnaly experiencing gains in my flat bench, and thats without creatine,protein and pre workout. so maybe i can order a stack of them supplements i can keep gaining!!

Most supps are bunk IMHO, proprietary blend=corn starch. . Go to the nutrition section and post your diet. Thats where you'll break the plateaus.

**Lunk1** · 09-21-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by EriCody

Appreciate the advise, and ive been 4-5 days a week regularly for the past year isolating each body part, im finnaly experiencing gains in my flat bench, and thats without creatine,protein and pre workout. so maybe i can order a stack of them supplements i can keep gaining!!

Here is my stack rec, for you. Creatine, multi Vit.,fish oil. These are essentail in my book.

Let's do this Eric...go to the nutrition sub forum. Post a sample of your daily diet (with macro breakdown if you know it) along with your goals. I promise you that 70% of your problem is diet.