What next? Planning the next cycle....

**TOkidd** · 09-23-2012, 09:11 AM

Hey guys,

I'm currently half-way through my third cycle and although I am happy with my gains, I am wondering where to go from here.
I am taking test e (500mg / week) and deca (450mg / week). I started off with daily doses of Dbol (40mg/day), but I was retaining too much water and breaking out badly so I dropped it. I have taken Dbol before and decided the benefits weren't worth these unpleasant sides.

I always do bulking cycles because, while I have no trouble burning fat and getting ripped, putting on lean muscle is difficult for me, even with the right diet.

Keeping that in mind, I am thinking about a spring cycle and am having trouble finding another compound to add that would help me build lean mass. I would love to give tren a shot (ha!), but I am wary of the side effects and have decided it's not on the menu. That said, my current cycle consists of the two steroids most people recommend for bulking (excluding the Dbol, which I probably won't run again).

So my question is, other than test and deca, what can I add to my next cycle to improve my size and strength gains (keeping in mind that tren is not an option)? How about upping the dosage on the test to 750mg / week? Would I see a marked difference in gains compared to 500mg / week?

Anyways, I'm open to suggestions and would like to hear about others' experience with compounds that helped them gain lean mass and strength.

thanks

TOkidd

**Leisure Suite Larry** · 09-23-2012, 09:22 AM

I love dbol , though over time i pretty much swapped dbol for stana, and even better is dbol/stana pre-workout, they mesh together like two perfectly greased gears, the dbol pumps you up and gives good strength and power whilst the stana keeps you hard, increases endurance and acts as a diuretic, stana also gives protein sparring effects.

Other compounds to look into, how about EQ? Sounds like you like bulking and EQ is good for the appetite in some people, you could even go Test/Deca /EQ half a gram of each per week, simple neat and easy.

**austinite** · 09-23-2012, 09:39 AM

I would not consider EQ. This compound is mostly sides and barely any benefits.

I personally seem to forget how effective a test only cycle can be. It's a nice break after cycling with multiple compounds for so long. If you up the test, I don't think going beyond 600mg is necessary. Anyway, if you insist on another compound, maybe run var at a fair dose for 6 wees of your upcoming cycle.

**TOkidd** · 09-23-2012, 09:48 AM

Thanks for the suggestions.
I'm not really insisting on another compound, just curious if there is another compound out there I can add to improve LBM gains and strength. If simply increasing dosage is a better approach, then I would prefer that. Cheaper and less sides.

**austinite** · 09-23-2012, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by TOkidd

Thanks for the suggestions.
I'm not really insisting on another compound, just curious if there is another compound out there I can add to improve LBM gains and strength. If simply increasing dosage is a better approach, then I would prefer that. Cheaper and less sides.

I'd give 600mg a run. Keep us posted on what you decide, a log would be nice and I would follow

**Leisure Suite Larry** · 09-23-2012, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

I would not consider EQ. This compound is mostly sides and barely any benefits.

I personally seem to forget how effective a test only cycle can be. It's a nice break after cycling with multiple compounds for so long. If you up the test, I don't think going beyond 600mg is necessary. Anyway, if you insist on another compound, maybe run var at a fair dose for 6 wees of your upcoming cycle.

What kind of sides did you get from EQ? I hear many people choose EQ over Deca simply because they get less sides from EQ and no interferance with prolactin. And EQ gives some people very nice results, slow but steady results usually.

He's looking for a harder cycle for his next cycle so i highly doubt he'll add a weak substance like Var into his next cycle lol! And Test can be push way way higher than 600mg pw, thats just the beginning of doses. Plus he did say he wants to bulk.

Is it just me, or did you not read his post at all lmfao!! Not having a go at you, but its as though your in your own world

**austinite** · 09-23-2012, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Leisure Suite Larry

What kind of sides did you get from EQ? I hear many people choose EQ over Deca simply because they get less sides from EQ and no interferance with prolactin. And EQ gives some people very nice results, slow but steady results usually.

He's looking for a harder cycle for his next cycle so i highly doubt he'll add a weak substance like Var into his next cycle lol! And Test can be push way way higher than 600mg pw, thats just the beginning of doses. Plus he did say he wants to bulk.

Is it just me, or did you not read his post at all lmfao!! Not having a go at you, but its as though your in your own world

EQ increases your RBC numbers to unnecessary levels. Very little gains and pretty much makes most people hungry. When compared to other compounds, EQ is just not worth it.

Sorry you feel that way about me

**TOkidd** · 09-23-2012, 11:56 AM

Thanks for the input, guys.

If hunger is the main benefit of EQ, there's something I could start smoking again that would do the same thing for much less $ and hardly any sides

I'm really happy with the gains from my current cycle. I'm currently up 25 pounds from where I started (my stats are currently 6'2", 235 pounds, 12%BF). I'm also okay with the sides. Perhaps upping the dose to 600mg / week of deca and 750mg / week of test I can get what I want without adding another compound.

I really would love to try tren , but I don't like dealing with heavy side effects, especially the threat of hair loss and serious acne. Night sweats and insommnia was once a part of my everyday life so I can deal with that, but not losing my hair. Test is hard enough on my hairline.

Still, I'm willing to see if anyone comes up with something I haven't thought of.

**Lunk1** · 09-23-2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by TOkidd

Thanks for the input, guys.

If hunger is the main benefit of EQ, there's something I could start smoking again that would do the same thing for much less $ and hardly any sides

I'm really happy with the gains from my current cycle. I'm currently up 25 pounds from where I started (my stats are currently 6'2", 235 pounds, 12%BF). I'm also okay with the sides. Perhaps upping the dose to 600mg / week of deca and 750mg / week of test I can get what I want without adding another compound.

I really would love to try tren , but I don't like dealing with heavy side effects, especially the threat of hair loss and serious acne. Night sweats and insommnia was once a part of my everyday life so I can deal with that, but not losing my hair. Test is hard enough on my hairline.

Still, I'm willing to see if anyone comes up with something I haven't thought of.

I am confused. You are worried about sides such as hair loss and you are considering a dose of DECA? Deca in my opinion has some of the crappiest sides (ED, hair loss).

I honestly would do a little more research and think about tren. I am not sure I am interested in a cycle with out it. Hair loss is an issue with any steroid if you are prone to it. If not then no worries.

If you are that freaked by tren how about a nice Test/Mast/Var run in the spring with a nice diet will get you some nice lean gains.

**TOkidd** · 09-23-2012, 02:36 PM

Deca does not convert to DHT and is considered the safest steroid for hair loss. Erectile dysfunction is hardly an issue when you are taking test along with it.
There's only a certain level of side effects I'm willing to tolerate before the benefits of gaining a few pounds of extra muscle is no longer that attractive. A muscular physique is only part of the picture for me: having a full head of hair and a face and back not completely eaten away by cystic acne are more important than muscle will ever be. For me, there needs to be a balance, and there's a line I won't cross. After nine years of reading about the stuff, sounds to me like tren is that line for me.

**Lunk1** · 09-23-2012, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by TOkidd

Deca does not convert to DHT and is considered the safest steroid for hair loss. Erectile dysfunction is hardly an issue when you are taking test along with it.
There's only a certain level of side effects I'm willing to tolerate before the benefits of gaining a few pounds of extra muscle is no longer that attractive. A muscular physique is only part of the picture for me: having a full head of hair and a face and back not completely eaten away by cystic acne are more important than muscle will ever be. For me, there needs to be a balance, and there's a line I won't cross. After nine years of reading about the stuff, sounds to me like tren is that line for me.

Yes this is right and not sure what the fvck I was thinking this morn. I still say maybe a test/Mast or test/primo and var if you have no issues with it.