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09-24-2012, 07:27 PM #1
2nd cycle...yes another what you think...
Hello, this is my first post and ready to dive in.
My first cycle was easy:
test 400 for a 12week period of 300-400mg a week. Im 225 right now and not sure the bodyfat. But im looking to gain while still maintaining my BF% if not lean up just a tad. Ill be cutting from Jan to May for a comp.
What i have so far is another test 400 and tren . I want to take dbol to get me going the first couple week and maybe deca also due to wanting to add a good amount of mass.
Test 400, 500mg week.
Tren 100mg week.
What would be the right amount to take of dbol or deca? i see people do 50mg a day etc but not sure.
Also if someone has a link to where i can read Cycles for dummys lol.
ThanksLast edited by H93; 09-24-2012 at 07:49 PM.
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09-24-2012, 07:30 PM #2
I would put ya at 16-18%BF (but I suck at that)
Your cycle needs some work...
Read, read, read....lots of great info in the stickys
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09-24-2012, 07:34 PM #3
You need to post a complete cycle, AI and PCT. Keep it simple for a 2nd...
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93 Looking lean and mean and you have size, keep it up.
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09-24-2012, 07:47 PM #5
wow this was a fast response. wow this was a fast response.
I will do the reading sorry. And AI, PCT... sorry, new to the forum and dont get the lingo yet. will do the reading sorry. And AI, PCT... sorry, new to the forum and dont get the lingo yet.
PS: Im about 24, and 5'11.Last edited by H93; 09-24-2012 at 07:50 PM.
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09-24-2012, 07:51 PM #6
The fact that you say this is your 2nd cycle and you are considering Tren (one of the srongest componds with some of the strongest sides) and you have no idea what a PCT or an AI are frankly scares the bajesus outa me.
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...ormation-Forum
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...CYCLE-THERAPY)
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-abbreviations..Last edited by Lunk1; 09-24-2012 at 07:54 PM.
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09-24-2012, 08:14 PM #7
OK now that i scammed through some of that, I knew of PCT and AI but didnt know thats what it was referring to. Sorry. I just have a couple of buddys that have done this for along time and said this would be a great stack for me know how the test 400 did. No sides , very lil acne but thats it.
But yes more reading.
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I suggest going w/test again maybe 500-600mgs this time around. Sure, you can throw some d-bol in there at the beginning. I like 40mgs ED for the first 4 weeks to get things going.
But yes, you'll need an AI and a solid PCT.
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youre "about 24"? lol
yeah bro, you look solid and well on your way. keep it simple.
for your second cycle i would rec;
wk 1-12 500mg test 2/wk
wk 1-12 hcg 250iu's 2/wk
wk 3-12 aromasin 12.5mg/eod to start and monitor.
pct
clomid 75/50/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
and if you really want to add an oral kicker in there that would be ok too. dbol 40mg ed wk's 1-4 (or 5) would bump you up and get your cycle started quickly.
include supps and liver support and youre gtg.
make sure you have your diet dialed in.
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oops sorry pete, i was typing and you had already post lol.
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09-24-2012, 11:21 PM #12
No i didnt anything pct.... both friends (older) early 40s told me not too. Theres no need they said..., but from what everyone else is saying seems like its a must no matter what.
I noticed that nolva and temax is a good pct.....Also i dont know of any place to get a oral dbol or pct supplements besides just a test booster/etrogen blocker from gnc lol.... guessing thats no legit.
Thanks for the advise and kind words everyone. It looks like i need to read a bit more due to not knowing what aromasin or hcg is....
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09-25-2012, 09:57 PM #13
Ok guys Finally did a nice lil read about cycles and pct etc. Its too late to turn back on tren and deca and test...Done a done.
From what i read i feel comfortable with this: please insight if you will.
Test 400mg a week 1-12
deca 300mg a week 1-10
tren 50mg eod weeks 4-12
pct: Nolvadex 40mg, 40, 20 everyday for 3 weeks....
Am i getting a little better here? haha but seriously.
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Now your confusing me here, you said it was ok to run one nor19 but not two, if your going to run one theres no reason not to run 2.
An example would be:
Cycle A.
12 weeks Test e @ 300mgs ew.
12 weeks tren e/a @ 600mgs ew.
Cycle B.
12 weeks test e/c/a @ 300mgs ew.
12 weeks Deca @ 200mgs ew.
12 weeks Tren e/a @ 200mgs ew..
Cycle A would no doubt produce harsher sides and if i was to advise anyone to run one of these cycles for the first time i would pick cycle B as being the safer if you can use that word....
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09-26-2012, 12:03 PM #20
Matt, my opinion is this (for what it's worth). I see nothing wrong with a novise-experienced cycler running 2 19-nor's providing they account for the fact that they are. Meaning if you choose to run tren and Deca as you suggested at 200mg per each week then fine. You are talking 400gm per week total of a 19 compound. The problem would come when one chooses to run a standard-high dose of one and a standard-high dose of another.
For example:
Test 500mg ew
Tren 600mg ew
deca 500mg ew
Now you are talking over a gram of 19-nor with harsh sides. Thats my opinion anyhow.
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09-26-2012, 12:16 PM #21Originally Posted by Lunk1
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Trust me he's going to suffer harsh sides whichever way he runs it...
My only point here is that some people believe running 2 nor19's together is a big no no, this is simply not true and nothing out of the ordinary will happen by running the two...
This is very true for a beginner but its not unusual for an experienced bber to run well over a gram of tren/deca...
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09-26-2012, 04:59 PM #26
it is test 400 and tren 100
aside from everything else, thanks for all the knowledgeable advise and insight
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09-26-2012, 06:52 PM #29
well from the looks of it and advise from all side. I feel IMO that:
test400 - 400mg a week
deca - 300mg a week
tren - 50mg eod/150-200mg a week/ depending on week since it alternates from 3 time to 4 time.
estro blocker throughout cycle
PCT: i want to take Nolvadex but my guy says he can only get arimidex ...
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09-26-2012, 06:59 PM #30
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09-26-2012, 09:06 PM #31
test only? probably not. Im currently going into my bulk prep till january then my cutting cycle for a contest in may...I really want to run ONLY test.
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09-26-2012, 09:53 PM #32
I am just concerned that from this thread it appears you could use some more time to learn about steroids , AI's and PCT's before you jumped into a muli compound stack that includes tren .
You claim to have 1 test cycle under your belt but honestly some of the questions in this thread are things someone getting ready to pound this stack should have a pretty good grasp of. On top of that you are jumping fom one compound to 3 and agin right into a pretty harsh compound (tren)
Not trying to bust your balls man just genuinly concerned believe it or not.
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09-26-2012, 10:50 PM #33
You've done test400 before and it seems like things were cool.Hit up the test 400 again and maybe stack it with the deca at 300 to 400 ew....Dont play with that tren just yet.Test/Deca cycle will be just right for your bulking cycle and then you can start cutting like a beast come January.Keep things simple bro its only your second cycle and youre making decent gains.Just my opinion.
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09-27-2012, 12:10 PM #34
ok guys thanks for everything. And lunk1, good to know there are people that are truly concerned and arent someone that doesnt care if someone f`d there body up
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09-28-2012, 12:15 PM #36
i sure will. can some direct me to where to get
nolva and hcg . I know its the place at the top of the page but i cant find it on the site, just a ton of everything else.
ps: what you you guys think of this arimadex from the link above (liquid)Last edited by H93; 09-28-2012 at 02:27 PM.
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09-28-2012, 02:39 PM #37
i Cant find andything at Ar-r .....only the arimadex or other serums....anyone?
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