are the cycle amounts reasonable?

**john5620** · 09-26-2012, 09:30 PM

400 mgs of test-e every week for 12 weeks
250 mgs of deca every week for 10 weeks
50 Androl everyday for 4 weeks

I am concerned that the deca is too high for the amount of testosterone . I have not cycled in a while, but wanted to get back into it

any comments or suggestions would be nice

age: 32
height: 5'10
weight: 230ish
bf - a fair amount

**Times Roman** · 09-26-2012, 09:36 PM

Welcome to the board mate!
The cycle you propose looks reasonable. Personally, the max deca i will take is 50% of the test to help prevent the dreaded "deca dick" sides many complain about. But everyone is different, and others can tolerate a higher % and still no sides as I described. the adrol looks reasonable as well.
Since your bf% is "a fair amount", i'd suggest an AI like exemastane or equivalent.
Protect your liver (adrol is harsh on the liver) with some milk thistle or liverall
and finish up with a proper PCT protocol.

Good luck!
---Roman

**gixxerboy1** · 09-26-2012, 09:37 PM

the deca dose is fine. I would def use an ai if you are not. Also if you have a fair amount of bf its probably needed.
What are your goals of it? Drol typically give a decent amount of bloat. So if you have some bf you might not like the look you get

**MickeyKnox** · 09-26-2012, 09:40 PM

welcome John.

**Lunk1** · 09-26-2012, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

Welcome to the board mate!
The cycle you propose looks reasonable. Personally, the max deca i will take is 50% of the test to help prevent the dreaded "deca dick" sides many complain about. But everyone is different, and others can tolerate a higher % and still no sides as I described. the adrol looks reasonable as well.
Since your bf% is "a fair amount", i'd suggest an AI like exemastane or equivalent.
Protect your liver (adrol is harsh on the liver) with some milk thistle or liverall
and finish up with a proper PCT protocol.

Good luck!
---Roman

Milk Thistle will not provide solid liver protection.

Op what do you think "a fair amount" of BF is? This will determine the outcome of your cycle.

**DigitalGorilla** · 09-26-2012, 09:53 PM

You would need ALOT of Milk Thistle...Id say TUDCA or at least LIV 52....IMO

**Times Roman** · 09-26-2012, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Milk Thistle will not provide solid liver protection.

Op what do you think "a fair amount" of BF is? This will determine the outcome of your cycle.

I've already provided links to clinical studies that say otherwise in another thread. Milk Thistle does work. And it is inexpensive

**Lunk1** · 09-26-2012, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

I've already provided links to clinical studies that say otherwise in another thread. Milk Thistle does work. And it is inexpensive

Fair enough..I will just say it wouldnt be my first choice.

**Times Roman** · 09-26-2012, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Fair enough..I will just say it wouldnt be my first choice.

never said it was the best. but it is effective, and my liver panels always come back g2g

**austinite** · 09-26-2012, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

never said it was the best. but it is effective, and my liver panels always come back g2g

At the end of the day, no matter what you use, ^^ that is most important.

**Lunk1** · 09-26-2012, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

never said it was the best. but it is effective, and my liver panels always come back g2g

Not arguing TR (had enough of that to last) I will def. look for the thread and give your links a read. Thank you!

**havanakid** · 09-26-2012, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

I've already provided links to clinical studies that say otherwise in another thread. Milk Thistle does work. And it is inexpensive

Thanks for that info T.R. I ll try to search for those links.

**Lunk1** · 09-26-2012, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by havanakid

Thanks for that info T.R. I ll try to search for those links.

If someone knows the thread could they bump it, post the link or pm it to me. I really do want to read it.

**dec11** · 09-26-2012, 10:32 PM

In all honesty that deca dose will not give you very good effect in terms of muscle building, go for 400mg, the fact of keeping deca at half test to prevent 'deca dick' is a myth, sorry TR but it's just wrong. I've run deca at 900mg and test at less than half that with no probs. Make sureyou've an AI on the go, you need it!

I've run deca at 250mg ow for 12wks for joint support and git zero anabolic effect off it. All in all its a pretty crap AAS and seems to have gained fame purely by the fact than even non steroid users will even have heard of it

**dec11** · 09-26-2012, 10:33 PM

Btw, don't ever run deca high, if you think tren is bad, you don't want a high deca dose!

**havanakid** · 09-26-2012, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

In all honesty that deca dose will not give you very good effect in terms of muscle building, go for 400mg, the fact of keeping deca at half test to prevent 'deca dick' is a myth, sorry TR but it's just wrong. I've run deca at 900mg and test at less than half that with no probs. Make sureyou've an AI on the go, you need it!

I've run deca at 250mg ow for 12wks for joint support and git zero anabolic effect off it. All in all its a pretty crap AAS and seems to have gained fame purely by the fact than even non steroid users will even have heard of it

I have to agree and although it is true that everyone is different it is better in my opinion and from current experience to run deca at no less that 350 per week.400 would be just right and at 400mgs of test it shouldnt be a problem.Im on 450 test 400 deca and so far its been great.

**dec11** · 09-27-2012, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by havanakid

I have to agree and although it is true that everyone is different it is better in my opinion and from current experience to run deca at no less that 350 per week.400 would be just right and at 400mgs of test it shouldnt be a problem.Im on 450 test 400 deca and so far its been great.

yep, thats way i'd do it, if i liked deca anymore

**DigitalGorilla** · 10-01-2012, 01:30 AM

Im not arguing either...however last year I broke my hand and was taking Vicodin for a month - and I aked the DR about my liver and he explained to me - the kind thats out there - you would need an average of 16 a day. ANother words it works....but in higher amounts. But who wants to take that shit 16 times lol