Having trouble with first cycle(which to use?)

[I_Want_more]

Hi all, this is my first post to the forums. I've done tons of research for the past few months and finally gotten serious about starting a cycle. I've trained for 4 years now and I like the gains ive had but i want sort of a kick i guess. Anyhow I'm unsure which steroid i should use for my first cycle. I'm on the fence between Deca or Sustanon 350. Dosage info would also be appreciated but not necessary as Im going based of of people wiht similar stats to me in the same situation. My diet is on point, and my routine is consistent, im also fully educated on PCT and will be using either Nolvadex or Clomid, but thats a whole nother story.

My stats:
Age: 25
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 185lbs
Bf: 12%

Ive heard good things of both Deca and Sustanon but not sure which will be best for me in terms of being a first time user and gains.
Any thoughts?

[Lunk1]

Welcome...Fiets off these are 2 different compounds. The Sus is a testosterone blend and the deca is a 19-nor compound.
Testosterone needs to be the base of any steroid cycle
If one wee to use Deca they would still need to use the sus.

my recomendation for ALL first timers is a test (sus) cycle alone so that the body has an opportunity to determine what side affects are caused by each compound,

A good start would be the Sus 350 at 500 mg per week divided by 2 shots taken 3.5 days apart.
You will also need and AI. I like Adex at .25mg ed
Then 14 days after your last injection you need to start your PCT. Do you have an AI or your PCT?

[MickeyKnox]

welcome.

stay away from deca for awhile.

run the sust 4-500mg/wk split into two doses.

hcg and ai on cycle and a solid pct.

[Lunk1]

welcome.

stay away from deca for awhile.

run the sust 4-500mg/wk split into two doses.

hcg and ai on cycle and a solid pct.

Go Mick..it's your Bday! We goin to party like it's your birfdday lol

[kronik420]

welcome.

stay away from deca for awhile.

run the sust 4-500mg/wk split into two doses.

hcg and ai on cycle and a solid pct.

this^

although if you want to take advantage of the short esters in sus, EOD pinning is required, just depends on how much your willing to pin yourself. otherwise 2x a week will be fine. or better yet get test e or c.

[Lunk1]

this^

although if you want to take advantage of the short esters in sus, EOD pinning is required, just depends on how much your willing to pin yourself. otherwise 2x a week will be fine. or better yet get test e or c.

I have said it before and I will say it again...I hate test blends! Problem is that you have to consider the dosage of each test and weigh ppinning vs ester benifit. I agree with Kronik that for the best stable blood levels EOD is best but usually the prop amounts are so low it's a joke

[marcus300]

Stick with test only for your first cycle, make sure you have a solid pct and diet in place. Check out the profile section for explaanations on how these drugs works and also sides etc.
A simple first timer cycle would be test e at 500mgs per wk split into 250mgs twice per wk shots for 10-12 weeks.
Get an AI for during the cycle and nolva and clomid for pct

[Capebuffalo]

All above is good advise.

[I_Want_more]

Wow thank you for the info guys! Based on everything ive read/heard I think im going to follow through with Lunk1's suggestions. I do have both an AI and PCT on hand, my AI is Adex, and PCT i got this morning, both clomid and nolvadex . I was also considering only running a test e cycle as marcus said but a couple of my buddies said they would rather use sust, now im not sure if thats because theyve already done a few cycles with sust being what they last done, but im going to give it a whirl. I'll be sure to continue to educate myself and not just pin like a junkie. Thanks again for all the helpful advice!

[gixxerboy1]

this^

although if you want to take advantage of the short esters in sus, EOD pinning is required, just depends on how much your willing to pin yourself. otherwise 2x a week will be fine. or better yet get test e or c.

yes doing eod injections will keep your levels more stable. But you do not need to do eod to take advantage of the short esters. You are getting it inside you either way. Plus sust has only 25mg of prop. so if your doing .5ml eod. Your injecting 12.5 mg eod of prop. That's nothing, its not taking advantage of anything. Peoples normal hormones fluctuate also. So that little bit is no big deal

[MickeyKnox]

yes doing eod injections will keep your levels more stable. But you do not need to do eod to take advantage of the short esters. You are getting it inside you either way. Plus sust has only 25mg of prop. so if your doing .5ml eod. Your injecting 12.5 mg eod of prop. That's nothing, its not taking advantage of anything. Peoples normal hormones fluctuate also. So that little bit is no big deal

this is why sust would be the last test i would choose to run..ever. why on earth would anyone want to use this? 4 separate esters?? why? why not choose a long or a short? pick one..enth, prop, cyp..ect. and typically, other long esters are cheaper..just saying..

[Lunk1]

this is why sust would be the last test i would choose to run..ever. why on earth would anyone want to use this? 4 separate esters?? why? why not choose a long or a short? pick one..enth, prop, cyp..ect. and typically, other long esters are cheaper..just saying..

Like I have said...marketing! If you were 18 and someone said you wnat this bottle with one kinda test or FOUR kinds in it...what would you have said??

[MickeyKnox]

Like I have said...marketing! If you were 18 and someone said you wnat this bottle with one kinda test or FOUR kinds in it...what would you have said??

i believe the hype was that you could take advantage of short and long esters all in one shot, this theory was that you would produce results faster. but as Gixx accurately explained, very little prop is available in one ml. it's a waste of money for THAT reason. also, when planing pct you must use the long ester anyway. and the fact that the same amount ml for ml is cheaper in other forms of long estered test.

[Lunk1]

i believe the hype was that you could take advantage of short and long esters all in one shot, this theory was that you would produce results faster. but as Gixx accurately explained, very little prop is available in one ml. it's a waste of money for THAT reason. also, when planing pct you must use the long ester anyway. and the fact that the same amount ml for ml is cheaper in other forms of long estered test.

If you notice my post #6 you will see like usual gixx just follows me around agreeing with everything lmao

[gixxerboy1]

If you notice my post #6 you will see like usual gixx just follows me around agreeing with everything lmao

I agree

[MickeyKnox]

If you notice my post #6 you will see like usual gixx just follows me around agreeing with everything lmao

i got an unnecessary pounding from him...youre getting off lucky.

[Lunk1]

i got an unnecessary pounding from him...youre getting off lucky.

Cause he has been hanging with Sholv so much! Whats unnecessary to you may have been totally necessary for him

[acidking]

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems many incorrectly refer to 'nandrolone ' as just 'deca ', but nandrolone in available not only as decanoate, but come in other esters too, propionate , phenylpropionate, laurate.

[Lunk1]

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems many incorrectly refer to 'nandrolone' as just 'deca', but nandrolone in available not only as decanoate, but come in other esters too, propionate, phenylpropionate, laurate.

Deca is just a brand name that Nandrolone is known by. Also sometimes refeered to as NPP or ND

[acidking]

Yes I am aware, but isn't it called 'deca ' because the decanoate ester is the most widely used?