2nd cycle requersting advice.

**Julz_W** · 09-28-2012, 07:03 PM

Evening all.

Just wondering if one of the more experience members might be able to check out a 2nd cycle that I was hoping to run.

Currently at 193lbs - 10-12% bf - diet is solid and I'll soon be having it even more dialed in.

Looking to run

Weeks 1-12 - 750mg Test Enth
Weeks 1-4 Test Prop - .75mg Ed
Weeks 4-10 - Tren Ace - 50mg ED

PCT

Clomid - Nolva 100/100/50/50 and 40/40/20/20

AI would be Ferama - able to dose at like .25 of a mL ed.

I'm just curious - If I do a LOT of HIIT in intense environments (the snow) - what's the chance of me having a heart attack :S I'm pretty young (for a cardiac arrest) but still kinda cant help but think of Zyzz :s

Cheers

J

**Julz_W** · 09-28-2012, 07:10 PM

I also wish to be punched in the face for spelling "requesting" incorrectly.

/quitlife

**MickeyKnox** · 09-28-2012, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Julz_W

Evening all.

Just wondering if one of the more experience members might be able to check out a 2nd cycle that I was hoping to run.

Currently at 193lbs - 10-12% bf - diet is solid and I'll soon be having it even more dialed in.

Looking to run

Weeks 1-12 - 750mg Test Enth
Weeks 1-4 Test Prop - .75mg Ed
Weeks 4-10 - Tren Ace - 50mg ED

PCT

Clomid - Nolva 100/100/50/50 and 40/40/20/20

AI would be Ferama - able to dose at like .25 of a mL ed.

I'm just curious - If I do a LOT of HIIT in intense environments (the snow) - what's the chance of me having a heart attack :S I'm pretty young (for a cardiac arrest) but still kinda cant help but think of Zyzz :s

Cheers

J

if youre going to run tren you don't need a large test base. reduce your test to 100-200mg/wk

save your prop for the last two wks.

reduce clomid to 75/50/50/50

also, any ai or hcg ? caber or prami on hand would be wise too.

**gixxerboy1** · 09-28-2012, 07:42 PM

^^^mickey where did you see tren ?

I dont think you need to jump to 750mgs already

**austinite** · 09-28-2012, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

^^^mickey where did you see tren?

I dont think you need to jump to 750mgs already

OP said so. Week 4-10, Tren A

**MickeyKnox** · 09-28-2012, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

^^^mickey where did you see tren ?

I dont think you need to jump to 750mgs already

oops, Austinite already pointed it out..

**gixxerboy1** · 09-28-2012, 07:53 PM

i read it 3 times and missed it.

**MickeyKnox** · 09-28-2012, 07:55 PM

youre getting old Gixx...but if it's any consolation, i do that all the time if im not wearing my glasses at the computer.

**Julz_W** · 09-28-2012, 07:57 PM

Woah fast responses - awesome.

I thought the Ferama could be used as an AI?

So run the Tren from weeks 4 onwards or start from week 1 then end the last 2 weeks on prop.

What about the heart issues - I'll be required to be kinda active at work so I'm curious to see if i'm at risk of anything : /

**MickeyKnox** · 09-28-2012, 08:02 PM

yes tren from wk 4, and prop last two weeks. this will give you a 3 day wait before you begin pct.

**gixxerboy1** · 09-28-2012, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

yes tren from wk 4, and prop last two weeks. but remember to stop your enth two wks before you begin prop and this will ensure you finish everything at the same time. this will give you a 3 day wait before you begin pct.

You dont wait 2 weeks after stopping the enenthate to start the prop. The day you stop the enenthate next injection will be prop. Run that for 2 weeks then start pct 3 days after last prop injection

**MickeyKnox** · 09-28-2012, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

You dont wait 2 weeks after stopping the enenthate to start the prop. The day you stop the enenthate next injection will be prop. Run that for 2 weeks then start pct 3 days after last prop injection

that's not what i meant but i worded it incorrectly! fk!

thanks for catching that Gixx.

**gixxerboy1** · 09-28-2012, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

that's not what i meant but i worded it incorrectly! fk!

thanks for catching that Gixx.

put on your damn glasses

**Sworder** · 09-28-2012, 09:58 PM

Femara would be the brand name version of Letrozole . Dosing it at 0.25ml if the concentration of your liquid is 2.5mg/ml then that would be 0.75mg Letrozole/day. A little bit too much imo. Letrozole works just as fine as anastrazole but most people take too much letrozole driving their estrogen to the bottom. Then they blame letrozole and not their inexperience at dosing it properly. Try 0.5mg letrozole EOD and adjust accordingly.

**Metalject** · 09-29-2012, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

if youre going to run tren you don't need a large test base. reduce your test to 100-200mg/wk

save your prop for the last two wks.

reduce clomid to 75/50/50/50

also, any ai or hcg? caber or prami on hand would be wise too.

Dropping the test dose, that would depend on the goal of the cycle. Saying because you're using Tren you need a low test dose doesn't make sense to me if you're saying in the basis that it has to be done this way. During all my years of contest prep I cannot think of one time where my test dose was lower than my Tren dose through the brunt of the cycle with the exception being at the very end of the diet. As for off-season, test would always be higher.

Last thing, caber or prami....Tren can easily be used without these. I know a lot of guys here preach the prolactin/gyno speech but I disagree. Will it hurt? No. Is it a must? No.

**stpete** · 09-29-2012, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

Dropping the test dose, that would depend on the goal of the cycle. Saying because you're using Tren you need a low test dose doesn't make sense to me if you're saying in the basis that it has to be done this way. During all my years of contest prep I cannot think of one time where my test dose was lower than my Tren dose through the brunt of the cycle with the exception being at the very end of the diet. As for off-season, test would always be higher.

Last thing, caber or prami....Tren can easily be used without these. I know a lot of guys here preach the prolactin/gyno speech but I disagree. Will it hurt? No. Is it a must? No.

Agree w/everything right here!! And Metal, there's a lot of talk here of late about the way to run tren is w/lower test. Different strokes for different folks, but i feel the same you do. I won't go around preaching that that's the only way to run it, i can only say being an 8 year veteran of the compound, i get along a lot better w/a nice dose of test in there.

**Julz_W** · 09-29-2012, 10:38 AM

Any thing that'll affect the cardio - I heard Tren can lower your endurance.

Still curious about the heart risks - is it any greater risk than other AAS?

**MickeyKnox** · 09-29-2012, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

Dropping the test dose, that would depend on the goal of the cycle. Saying because you're using Tren you need a low test dose doesn't make sense to me if you're saying in the basis that it has to be done this way. During all my years of contest prep I cannot think of one time where my test dose was lower than my Tren dose through the brunt of the cycle with the exception being at the very end of the diet. As for off-season, test would always be higher.

Last thing, caber or prami....Tren can easily be used without these. I know a lot of guys here preach the prolactin/gyno speech but I disagree. Will it hurt? No. Is it a must? No.

what part of lowering the test to potentially decrease sides on a second cycle of tren are you having trouble with? time and time again users have reported that when the test dose was decreased to trt, or close to, sides decreased simultaneously. this has been well documented. but in all fairness, perhaps i should have elaborated. i simply thought that this was common knowledge.

im completely aware that prami and caber can are not necessary on every tren cycle, particularly if an ai is used to combat e2. if you control e2, you'll unusually have no need for prami/caber. again, this is well documented as well. but i would think advice to have it on hand would be prudent. and i believe Swifto has an excellent writeup on this subject. therefore, my advice is based on 2nd cycle, first time tren, recommended dose amounts, and what would be prudent to have on hand. your experience far outweighs his.

Originally Posted by stpete

Agree w/everything right here!! And Metal, there's a lot of talk here of late about the way to run tren is w/lower test. Different strokes for different folks, but i feel the same you do. I won't go around preaching that that's the only way to run it, i can only say being an 8 year veteran of the compound, i get along a lot better w/a nice dose of test in there.

there is a reason for that Pete, it's because it works for most people. and most report the same thing. but as you say, different strokes for different folks. but juts to be clear, i never said it was the only way to run tren..never, not once brother. there's a big difference between 8 years and 1 cycle.

hows that halo treating you?